4000 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 hours ago, peteb said: Funnily enough I never rated that at all, but I was hooked as soon as I heard 'Man With The Child In His Eyes'. One of my 2 favourite singles, and in my top 5 tracks of all time. I believe she wrote it, or the bones of it at least, when she was 13. Genius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Despite being far far from my usual sort of music I have a few of the earlier albums and find that generally the singles are the worst ones on there. But I struggle with her as a person as every interview I have heard with her shows her to be a whinging self obsessed plonker and that’s does slightly detract from the music for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, T-Bay said: Despite being far far from my usual sort of music I have a few of the earlier albums and find that generally the singles are the worst ones on there. But I struggle with her as a person as every interview I have heard with her shows her to be a whinging self obsessed plonker and that’s does slightly detract from the music for me. Just goes to show. I always think she comes across as lovely, and extremely serious about her art (which I see as a positive). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 48 minutes ago, 4000 said: Just goes to show. I always think she comes across as lovely, and extremely serious about her art (which I see as a positive). It’s the complaints about giving interviews and doing the ‘media circus’, whilst I appreciate the media can be intrusive, the nature of her business means that she clurtsbthe attention at times and then moans about the Very means of her publicity the next. I stopped listening to her albums for a year or so after one interview where she was particularly self indulgently annoyingly which bugged me. Then there are her political ramblings, I don’t need to know she is firmly in the right wing camp as it will just annoy me, whilst I appreciate she has a right to an opinion, as does Gary Linekar, or anyone else, but it doesn’t need to be aired publicly perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, T-Bay said: It’s the complaints about giving interviews and doing the ‘media circus’, whilst I appreciate the media can be intrusive, the nature of her business means that she clurtsbthe attention at times and then moans about the Very means of her publicity the next. I stopped listening to her albums for a year or so after one interview where she was particularly self indulgently annoyingly which bugged me. Then there are her political ramblings, I don’t need to know she is firmly in the right wing camp as it will just annoy me, whilst I appreciate she has a right to an opinion, as does Gary Linekar, or anyone else, but it doesn’t need to be aired publicly perhaps. Have never had a problem with people airing their views publicly. I’d probably do the same. It’s up to others to either take on board or ignore, agree or disagree. As for being self-indulgent, that’s pretty much the nature of what she does and is something that could be aimed at any artist worth their salt. Still, I come from a fine art background so it’s all perfectly normal to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 8 hours ago, 4000 said: Have never had a problem with people airing their views publicly. I’d probably do the same. It’s up to others to either take on board or ignore, agree or disagree. As for being self-indulgent, that’s pretty much the nature of what she does and is something that could be aimed at any artist worth their salt. Still, I come from a fine art background so it’s all perfectly normal to me. I generally agree with you, the exception is anyone with very right right/ far right wing views as I do not wish to support people of that nature in any way. I suppose it’s very selfish of me really to what to appreciate the music but without the ‘baggage’. I think what I was getting at more is not that they shouldn’t air those views if they choose to but that they should appreciate that if those views are extreme or unpleasant, or even just very different, to someone else’s then it may affect the listeners views of them. I would not personally buy any products from people advocating racist, extremist, homophobic etc views, and the vile way she discussed the immigration issues in this country fell into that category for me and the idea of her as this sort of slightly bonkers, whimsical genius was shattered and a very unpleasant individual was revealed. Very sad as a couple of her albums are on my favourites list with sensual world being a work of genius to me, even though I am normally listening to punk, grunge, hard rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvo66 Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 Agreed I wouldn't give any artist the time of day who airs there political views, and especially those who are extremist, with their outdated Victorian views on life this we don't want at all in any shape or form, and if you do put in your music, but whining about you've run out of caviar for breakfast probably isn't a strong selling point for music!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Obviously very talented and successful. She had/has a great band, but it's not really for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, T-Bay said: I generally agree with you, the exception is anyone with very right right/ far right wing views as I do not wish to support people of that nature in any way. I suppose it’s very selfish of me really to what to appreciate the music but without the ‘baggage’. I think what I was getting at more is not that they shouldn’t air those views if they choose to but that they should appreciate that if those views are extreme or unpleasant, or even just very different, to someone else’s then it may affect the listeners views of them. I would not personally buy any products from people advocating racist, extremist, homophobic etc views, and the vile way she discussed the immigration issues in this country fell into that category for me and the idea of her as this sort of slightly bonkers, whimsical genius was shattered and a very unpleasant individual was revealed. Very sad as a couple of her albums are on my favourites list with sensual world being a work of genius to me, even though I am normally listening to punk, grunge, hard rock. Well I’ll admit I haven’t heard her making comments anything like that. I’d be interested to read them as they would very much go against my grain and it would very disappointing. I’m also rather surprised, as that doesn’t seem to marry at all with the person I’ve seen interviewed many times. Still, trust the art, not the artist, as they say. EDIT - well I’ve done a search and all I can find is that she likes Theresa May and is happy we’ve got a female Prime Minister, which isn’t a huge surprise. Whilst that in itself is mildly disappointing, that doesn’t necessarily mean she agrees with every opinion Theresa May has ever held or is in some way “far right”. Can you point me in the right - if you’ll excuse the pun - direction? BTW, links to rags like the Daily Fail don’t count.😉 Edited December 22, 2018 by 4000 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 hours ago, 4000 said: Well I’ll admit I haven’t heard her making comments anything like that. I’d be interested to read them as they would very much go against my grain and it would very disappointing. I’m also rather surprised, as that doesn’t seem to marry at all with the person I’ve seen interviewed many times. Still, trust the art, not the artist, as they say. EDIT - well I’ve done a search and all I can find is that she likes Theresa May and is happy we’ve got a female Prime Minister, which isn’t a huge surprise. Whilst that in itself is mildly disappointing, that doesn’t necessarily mean she agrees with every opinion Theresa May has ever held or is in some way “far right”. Can you point me in the right - if you’ll excuse the pun - direction? BTW, links to rags like the Daily Fail don’t count.😉 I can 100% guarantee it won’t be the daily Fail as I wouldn’t lower myself to read that rubbish, it was an interview given on Dutch radio a few years back (I used to live in the Netherlands) where she was effectively blaming immigration on the problems in several UK cities and saying she didn’t feel safe in Rotterdam for the same reasons. She didn’t use the term immigration but said something like ‘influx of masses of different cultures that don’t get on together’ or something like that. I also remember her being against same sex marriage but can’t for the life of me remember where I heard that. I will try and find something on it, but it was a few years ago so not sure how successful I will be. I understand what you say regarding art/ artists but sadly it’s hard to separate the two. I wasn’t a fan of Gary Glitter, but I bet the majority of his fans are less inclined to listen to his stuff now (not that I am comparing her comments to Glitters actions obviously, just an example of how it’s hard to separate the person and their actions from their art). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 hours ago, 4000 said: Still, trust the art, not the artist, as they say. This. . . I know nothing of KB's political leanings, and care even less, but if extreme political views puts you off you should also be boycotting anything made in China, Russia, the Middle East, the Far East and a lot of what is made in the US, Africa and South America. Doesn't leave much, does it? These people are actually doing nasty stuff rather than just talking about it. Most major companies are run by people you would never ask to tea, and as for politicians and presidents. . . . if you shot every dictator there would be 10 people fighting to take their place. Just appreciate good tunes. No matter where they come from. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barkin Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 12:55, kevvo66 said: Just heard Kate Bush on the radio...awful pure torture No, not just you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetera Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 On 21/12/2018 at 17:09, visog said: she's brought so much to bass players through the wonderful John Giblin and Eberhard Weber. ......and Del Palmer and David Paton! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForestPoetry Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 This thread reminded me how much I absolutely love this song which I haven't heard in a long time...the original version of course. The re-recording never clicked for me. Fabulous bass playing from the inimitable JG. His work on Peter Gabriel III was also astonishingly good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingsta Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 Wonderful artist and yes, some great bass playing throughout her back catalogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) On 20/12/2018 at 12:55, kevvo66 said: Just heard Kate Bush on the radio is it just me I can't understand a word she sings, some xmas dribble of a song, awful pure torture Totally get what you mean Dribble is her middle name. Never got why she is so popular, although its seems she is more ‘hip’ than popular. Bland self indulgent wailing springs to mind. Edited December 26, 2018 by dave_bass5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) To be honest, there’s not really a lot of point to these kind of threads, either “I can’t stand so and so”, or “so and so is fantastic”. All they ever end up in is a percentage of people agreeing and a percentage of people disagreeing. 99% of the time minds are already made up. All they ever prove is that we’ve all got different tastes, which is how it should be. Edited December 24, 2018 by 4000 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 1 hour ago, 4000 said: To be honest, there’s not really a lot of point to these kind of threads, either “I can’t stand so and so”, or “so and so is fantastic”. All they ever end up in is a percentage of people agreeing and a percentage of people disagreeing. 99% of the time minds are already made up. All they ever prove is that we’ve all got different tastes, which is how it should be. Pretty much spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Some things will never change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvo66 Posted December 25, 2018 Author Share Posted December 25, 2018 Freedom of speech ,it's called they haven't taken that away from us just yet!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpullchord Posted December 25, 2018 Share Posted December 25, 2018 Fascist. Nice tunes though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 4 hours ago, DJpullchord said: Fascist... Seriously..? Fascisme ... "... Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and they regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies. Since the end of World War II in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist and the term is instead now usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The descriptions neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far-right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements. ..." Really..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 It's apparent from articles a couple of years ago that she approved of Theresa May in very strong terms. Given Peter Gabriel's political views, it doesn't seem so likely that she'd have been an ardent right-winger at the time of "Don't give up". As for the voice and the material - liked the first three or four albums but "Hounds of love" was IMNSHO rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I read this really interesting article a year or so ago that was talking about Joanna Newsom and Kate Bush and how more individual singing styles if you are a man, and you can be a musical genius with one (Eg Dylan) but with women with individual singing styles they will always be written about a quirky, odd etc 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 That is interesting @LukeFRC - I really like Joanna Newsom too, she has a very distinctive style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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