AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 6 hours ago, dodge_bass said: It works the other way - you can use Spectrum patches on the C4. @Quatschmacher will be able to give you proper details - he’s the guru. That's what I mean - I seem to be able to use c4 patches on the spectrum, which is new! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I've used the app with my old iPad which has a headphone jack - but what if you have a newer phone without one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, ped said: I've used the app with my old iPad which has a headphone jack - but what if you have a newer phone without one? I'm using a bluetooth dongle which is on the pedalboard permanently. Works great. Wireless access to all presets under the sun and one click to load them! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moley6knipe Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 iOS app works fine with a lightning to audio dongle thingy. I suspect with these things original Apple version worth a few extra quid to avoid issues! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, AJ567 said: That's what I mean - I seem to be able to use c4 patches on the spectrum, which is new! Really? That hasn’t been announced. If you can, then that’s great news. I’ll check tonight but am sceptical. I had been asking about this as there are certain C4 patches which only use parameters common to it and Spectrum but Jesse told me it would be difficult to implement. Only the ability to load Spectrum patches into C4 was possible. For many of my C4 patches, I specifically went back and recreated them on Spectrum so that users could access them. The key test will be whether clicking on a patch which has a picture of the C4 will load on a Spectrum. I suspect not, but I’ll be delighted to be proved wrong. Edited December 2, 2020 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) Yep, it works! Right now I'm happily comparing your 'Pony' patches (C4) with my own one (Spectrum)...! Curiously, it only works if I access the 'community' preset library in a certain way. I have to click on the spectrum photo in the home screen so that I go to the editor page, then select browse in the bottom right corner. If I go straight to 'browse' from the home screen, it doesn't work. In case it's relevant, I'm on Android. A theory - Spectrum and C4 are actually the same pedal under the hood (like the LA Lady/Aftershock/Kingmaker) but Source Audio have put some firmware in place to lock out Spectrum users from certain features, so that they can offer two pedals at different price points... and I've stumbled on a workaround...?! Edited December 2, 2020 by AJ567 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, AJ567 said: Yep, it works! Right now I'm happily comparing your 'Pony' patches (C4) with my own one (Spectrum)...! Curiously, it only works if I access the 'community' preset library in a certain way. I have to click on the spectrum photo in the home screen so that I go to the editor page, then select browse in the bottom right corner. If I go straight to 'browse' from the home screen, it doesn't work. In case it's relevant, I'm on Android. A theory - Spectrum and C4 are actually the same pedal under the hood (like the LA Lady/Aftershock/Kingmaker) but Source Audio have put some firmware in place to lock out Spectrum users from certain features, so that they can offer two pedals at different price points... and I've stumbled on a workaround...?! They were originally going to be identical (in the same way the fuzz and modulation pedals are) other than the hardware knobs but late on in the development they decided to pare down the features on Spectrum. When you click on the Spectrum photo first, that should be filtering for Spectrum-only presets. I’ll take a proper look tonight. Just had a look on the mobile app and you are correct that C4 presets are appearing in the list. What will be the test will be what happens when I try to load one into spectrum that uses features not found in spectrum such as the square wave oscillator. @AJ567, what happens when you try to load the patch “PWM” by jbharms1? That sound is composed purely of square waves. Does it work on your Spectrum? Edited December 2, 2020 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 57 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: They were originally going to be identical (in the same way the fuzz and modulation pedals are) other than the hardware knobs but late on in the development they decided to pare down the features on Spectrum. When you click on the Spectrum photo first, that should be filtering for Spectrum-only presets. I’ll take a proper look tonight. Just had a look on the mobile app and you are correct that C4 presets are appearing in the list. What will be the test will be what happens when I try to load one into spectrum that uses features not found in spectrum such as the square wave oscillator. @AJ567, what happens when you try to load the patch “PWM” by jbharms1? That sound is composed purely of square waves. Does it work on your Spectrum? Yep, "PWM" works, I can edit it and everything! This is fun! Happy camper over here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AJ567 said: Yep, "PWM" works, I can edit it and everything! This is fun! Happy camper over here... And can you hear it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 For any people casually observing without a C4 Good deal here https://www.facebook.com/groups/BassPlayersMarketUK/permalink/3815189061826027/?sale_post_id=3815189061826027 Not me - but stellar chap to deal with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: And can you hear it? Haha, yes I can hear it. I mean, I can't know for sure that it sounds the same as it does on the C4, but what I am hearing does indeed sound like some square waves combined. No obvious problems, either on this one or any other C4 patch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, AJ567 said: Haha, yes I can hear it. I mean, I can't know for sure that it sounds the same as it does on the C4, but what I am hearing does indeed sound like some square waves combined. No obvious problems, either on this one or any other C4 patch Are you doing this via the mobile editor with an audio cable into input 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: Are you doing this via the mobile editor with an audio cable into input 2? Yes, essentially. I'm actually using a bluetooth dongle connected to input 2 via TRS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, AJ567 said: Yes, essentially. I'm actually using a bluetooth dongle connected to input 2 via TRS. You are quite right, sir! Some of the patches don’t work properly though, particularly some of the FM stuff, but there are plenty that do. Nice bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: You are quite right, sir! Some of the patches don’t work properly though, particularly some of the FM stuff, but there are plenty that do. Nice bonus. Cool! Do you think this is an intentional update that SA have just kept quiet about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, AJ567 said: Cool! Do you think this is an intentional update that SA have just kept quiet about? No, it’s a fault and will get “fixed”, sorry. The problem is that it won’t correctly load certain patches and may well lock up your pedal with certain settings and I’m sure they don’t want that to happen to users mid-gig or mid-recording. Edited December 2, 2020 by Quatschmacher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Quatschmacher said: No, it’s a fault and will get nerfed, sorry. Bummer! Maybe we can persuade them that it's better to leave the cat out of the bag... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 31 minutes ago, AJ567 said: Bummer! Maybe we can persuade them that it's better to leave the cat out of the bag... You could choose not to update but it’s at your risk. They don’t want units screwing up when in use so will be on to this “feature” when they get time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 What midi setup controls do you guys have? I'm trying to think what to set on my DMC.micro... All I've got so far is the micro scrolling through presets, holding left to bypass the C4, then I've got UTIL set up for tap tempo on the right side. But that leaves the left side, any suggestions what I should map it to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 12 hours ago, jjl5590 said: What midi setup controls do you guys have? I'm trying to think what to set on my DMC.micro... All I've got so far is the micro scrolling through presets, holding left to bypass the C4, then I've got UTIL set up for tap tempo on the right side. But that leaves the left side, any suggestions what I should map it to? Probably best for you to think of what you’d like to be able to do and go from there. Does the UTIL only spit out a single CC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 42 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: Probably best for you to think of what you’d like to be able to do and go from there. Does the UTIL only spit out a single CC? Yea I think so. There's so many CC options on the C4, I just wondered what others were doing. I've got one for tap tempo, no idea what I should make the other one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, jjl5590 said: Yea I think so. There's so many CC options on the C4, I just wondered what others were doing. I've got one for tap tempo, no idea what I should make the other one Some suggestions: Filter envelope invert Voice 1, 2 3 or 4 on/off (useful if you always program dry bass to a particular voice). MIDI clock sync on/off Midi clock subdivisions LFO 1/2 ratio mix 2 on/off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeV0 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, Quatschmacher said: Some suggestions: Filter envelope invert Voice 1, 2 3 or 4 on/off (useful if you always program dry bass to a particular voice). MIDI clock sync on/off Midi clock subdivisions LFO 1/2 ratio mix 2 on/off. Thanks for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Silly question time because I can’t be bothered to look. I have six presets saved to the pedal which I can see on the desktop editor plus a few others saved. I can’t drag and drop them to switch them to the pedal so how do I put some of them on my pedal memory using the desktop app? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moley6knipe Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 If you’ve got .pre files locally, use Import. If you want to move an existing preset to another position Save As At least, that’s what I do! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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