Al Krow Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Been listening to the bass line on Sympathy for the Devil (Stones) and it completely reminded me of a track we used to play by Bon Jovi...well turns out that I was closer to the truth than I had realised! What else have you guys come across where 'new original' songs have paid tribute to, been based on or simply ripped off another? And which did you prefer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Oasis? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxlin Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Any "sampled" songs? Many follow-ups to a debut hit? (Eg Searchers, Sugar and Spice following Sweets for my Sweet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Led Zeppelin stole pretty much everything they ever did, including but certainly not limited to Stairway to Heaven. https://youtu.be/xd8AVbwB_6E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest oZZma Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) "Another one bites the dust" resembles a lot "Good Times" by Chic although it's not plain plagiarism 2 hours ago, Baxlin said: Many follow-ups to a debut hit? Now that is miserable Edited February 11, 2019 by oZZma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Bilbo said: I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? Maybe, but the Courts have often taken a less benign (more realistic?) view! I guess most recently with Blurred Lines to the tune of $5.3M. Interestingly for me, as with the Bon Jovi / Stones, it was an iconic bass line that went to the heart of it. Bass-players - we matter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 Well clearly their suit was entirely without merit and they were awarded $5.3M because someone was having a bad day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Hands Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Well clearly their suit was entirely without merit and they were awarded $5.3M because someone was having a bad day. Indeed. I love Pharrell/The Neptunes, but as soon as I heard that rhythmn I assumed he'd sampled the Marvin Gaye track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Bilbo said: I wonder how much of this is just coincidence. There are only 12 notes and a finite numbers of places to put them. Surely it is possible that two people happen upon the same sequence? I'm sure I've found a few extra notes when I play upright bass, I just need the rest of the band to follow suit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, PaulWarning said: a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though Yes, he owned up to 'Start' being lifted from Taxman but not sure if he ever acknowledged 'Changing Man' being a rip of 10538 Overture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Just now, KevB said: Yes, he owned up to 'Start' being lifted from Taxman but not sure if he ever acknowledged 'Changing Man' being a rip of 10538 Overture. he didn't have to, it's so bloody obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanol Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, PaulWarning said: a lot of song writers are inspired by other people's songs, sometimes they just don't change them enough of them to hide that fact, Led Zepplin hardly tried, some of Paul Weller's songs seem very similar to other songs that have gone before, some of it's deliberate plagiarism and some accidental, they can play a riff and think "hey that Sounds really good" without realising it's sounds good because it's familiar. I once wrote a song round a bass line, and thought I must have copied that from somewhere, I asked the band and they said "no, can't think of anything" after we'd been knocking it about for a couple of months the singer suddenly said "Is Vic there", we still did the song though I am not a fan of Led Zep (mainly because of Plant's vocals and Page's lead work - his rhythm playing is sublime though), so other that a rarely-listened-to greatest hits album I have no real knowledge of their work. I have seen it mentioned that they ripped of work, and though I have no reason to doubt it, I don't know what they ripped off. Can someone post a list of a few songs they ripped off, and where from please? On your second para, I am remined of a story about Paul McCartney when he was writing "Yesterday". Apparantly he woke up one morning with the entire song in his head but wanted to make sure he hadn't ripped it off from someone, so he was playing it to people for weeks replacing thelyrics with "scrambled eggs" , asking "have you heard this before", before Lennon told his to stop being stupid and get it written up and published. Must be nice to have that kind of talent, where you can write something like "Yesterday" in your sleep! Edited February 11, 2019 by Deanol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huge Hands Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 2 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said: I'm sure I've found a few extra notes when I play upright bass, I just need the rest of the band to follow suit! I found those ages ago. I want royalties...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Deanol said: I am not a fan of Led Zep (mainly because of Plant's vocals and Page's lead work - his rhythm playing is sublime though), so other that a rarely-listened-to greatest hits album I have no real knowledge of their work. I have seen it mentioned that they ripped of work, and though I have no reason to doubt it, I don't know what they ripped off. Can someone post a list of a few songs they ripped off, and where from please? On your second para, I am remined of a story about Paul McCartney when he was writing "Yesterday". Apparantly he woke up one morning with the entire song in his head but wanted to make sure he hadn't ripped it off from someone, so he was playing it to people for weeks replacing thelyrics with "scrambled eggs" , asking "have you heard this before", before Lennon told his to stop being stupid and get it written up and published. Must be nice to have that kind of talent, where you can write something like "Yesterday" in your sleep! plenty of examples on the internet https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/led-zeppelins-10-boldest-rip-offs-223419/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 ALL music is derivative, in some way or another. Its just a matter of degree. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Unless you've invented more chords, like wot i have done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Good speech HK I'm a fan too, and had the luxury of seeing LZ live at Ally Pally in London 1975 just after LZ 5 was released. Great gig , great memory. I was too young to know what songs they copied or plagiarised, but i couldnt give a hoot, even now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, fleabag said: I was too young to know what songs they copied or plagiarised, but i couldnt give a hoot, even now I guess that is because it is not your royalties that are being taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 You might have guessed right. What i should have done was not gone to see them live, voting with my feet and wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operative451 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 That band everyone else likes but me, nicked everything they ever did... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/beatles-5-boldest-rip-offs-54145/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 I'm not sure Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata is really covered by copyright anymore? 😄 And John Lennon swapping the chord progression around and then mutating it into something else sounds like creating something entirely new. 'Because' it does! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, operative451 said: That band everyone else likes but me, nicked everything they ever did... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/beatles-5-boldest-rip-offs-54145/ so did almost every other songwiter, there's influences and there's plagiarism,. I've listened to some of those and I wouldn't have said they sounded the same unless someone had pointed it out, which is where I draw the line between influences and plagiarism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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