What pedal/effect is this.?

[bubinga5]

As per title. This ELO record what is he using. Cant think what it might be. Or is it a keyboard.? Cheers. 

 

Edited February 20, 2019 by bubinga5

[KevB]

Which bit? If you mean that sound right at the start it sounds like a Fender Rhodes keyboard sound (I think), like Zep used on Trampled Underfoot. The bass player wasn't much into pedals and stuff so think the actual bass guitar is fairly 'straight'. CasaPete might shed more light, he's in an ELO trib.

Edited February 20, 2019 by KevB

[bubinga5]

38 minutes ago, KevB said:

Which bit? If you mean that sound right at the start it sounds like a Fender Rhodes keyboard sound (I think), like Zep used on Trampled Underfoot. The bass player wasn't much into pedals and stuff so think the actual bass guitar is fairly 'straight'. CasaPete might shed more light, he's in an ELO trib.

The line at the start. Im pretty sure its not a Rhodes. CasaPete please help.😀

[BigRedX]

Definitely a keyboard of some sort. Could be a Hohner Clavinet.

[fleabag]

Richard Tandy played many keys, including Minimoog, Clavinet, Oberheim, Wurlitzer, Mellotron, ARP 2600,  etc.

Sounds Clavinetish to me

 

 

[BassTractor]

Without any doubt a Hohner Clavinet or an instrument emulating it.

Edit: Hehehe. Should teach me to learn to type. The above gentlemen are correct. 😁

Edited February 20, 2019 by BassTractor

[bubinga5]

Yeah thought it was Clavinet sounding.Any idea how one might recreate this on a bass. Im asking for my sisters husband. He plays a Jazz Bass, he has a chorus pedal also. 

[bobbass4k]

You could do it with a very hollow flanger blended in, it wouldn't get you that honkiness but you could try and cover that with the clean tone. Depends on the chorus pedal but you'd struggle to get there with just a chorus.

[BigRedX]

You are never going to get close to the sound with a chorus pedal.

The clarinet has built-in phaser and was generally played through Wah pedals into valve amps.

So he is going to need a 70s style phaser, a distortion pedal which can give a hint of valve style dirt and a filter pedal with a built-in envelope follower. Listening to the track you can hear slight amounts of all three effects. Also the clarinet has a very sharp attack and decay which will require some precise plucking and muting to get the same definition of notes.

[Quatschmacher]

50 minutes ago, BigRedX said:

You are never going to get close to the sound with a chorus pedal.

The clarinet has built-in phaser and was generally played through Wah pedals into valve amps.

So he is going to need a 70s style phaser, a distortion pedal which can give a hint of valve style dirt and a filter pedal with a built-in envelope follower. Listening to the track you can hear slight amounts of all three effects. Also the clarinet has a very sharp attack and decay which will require some precise plucking and muting to get the same definition of notes.

Clavinets didn't have a built-in phaser (in the sense of Phase 90/Small Stone) but were often used in conjuction with one. Perhaps you are thinking of the four pickup combinations, some of which had the two pickups in or out of phase. 

Edited February 20, 2019 by Quatschmacher

[Quatschmacher]

24 minutes ago, bubinga5 said:

Yeah thought it was Clavinet sounding.Any idea how one might recreate this on a bass. Im asking for my sisters husband. He plays a Jazz Bass, he has a chorus pedal also. 

I've programmed a Future Impact patch which gets pretty close to a Clav.

[Quatschmacher]

39 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said:

I was just wondering how close I could get to that sound with my Future Impact 👏

My patch is in the shared folder in the FI resource thread if you want to give it whirl.

[MoonBassAlpha]

I don't think it is a clavinet. The decay of the note sounds wrong. Some notes sound more like a fretless with really bright strings and a weird bandpass filter. 

[fleabag]

Could be one of the other keys Tandy played. There's a few to choose from

[SteveK]

Deffo a clavinet, possibly with a dash of flanging.

Always have to be careful when using videos or TOTP clips to establish what instruments are used where. More often than not equipment was/is hired in for the video or TV which bears no resemblance to what was actually used on a track.

[xgsjx]

4 hours ago, BigRedX said:

You are never going to get close to the sound with a chorus pedal.

The clarinet has built-in phaser and was generally played through Wah pedals into valve amps.

So he is going to need a 70s style phaser, a distortion pedal which can give a hint of valve style dirt and a filter pedal with a built-in envelope follower. Listening to the track you can hear slight amounts of all three effects. Also the clarinet has a very sharp attack and decay which will require some precise plucking and muting to get the same definition of notes.

If you want to get that sound with a claranet, may I suggest one of these...

😎

[KevB]

4 hours ago, bubinga5 said:

The line at the start. Im pretty sure its not a Rhodes. CasaPete please help.😀

Sorry, got Rhodes and Clavinet mixed up, as others have subsequently said its a clavinet type sound, as also heard on trampled underfoot.

[BassTractor]

1 hour ago, xgsjx said:

If you want to get that sound with a claranet, may I suggest one of these...

😃 
Coincidentally, the Clavinet has much of the same hollowness that a clarinet has. Much like a Renaissance regal, which, like the Clavinet, had a sharpness to it.

BTW, I now understand this song is from the seventies, in which case I know of no instrument that emulated a Clavinet this well.
IOW, this most probably is just an original Clavinet, and as said, with some filtering going on, and I agree with the dash of flanging @SteveK mentioned.

 

[xgsjx]

The main question still remains to be asked...

Are they any good for metal?

[casapete]

7 hours ago, bubinga5 said:

The line at the start. Im pretty sure its not a Rhodes. CasaPete please help.😀

Responded to a PM a few hours ago, sorry didn’t realise it was a thread too! Agree with previous comments - clavinet , doubled with bass in places? When we do it live we use a clavi type sound on keys, sounds near enough I think. I only double the riff for the ending for some reason! 

[BassTractor]

9 hours ago, casapete said:

doubled with bass in places?

Yes, and they play together very well.
In the song's opening, I only heard one spot where there's a slight discrepancy between them (didn't listen to the rest).
Quality.

If one gets a Clavi-like sound from a Future Impact or other gear, then I think the whole segment can be played on the bass, and there's no need at all to suppress the bass during the parts that on the recording are played by the Clavi only.
Me, I love this exact doubling, and had the song's opening on repeat. Luvverly.

[GisserD]

Not that its really still in doubt.... but at the 1.25 mark in the 2018 ELO tour vid, you can clearly hear the clav player fudge a note, playing 2 notes, a semitone apart. This proved to me that it's played on a keyboard.

[Quatschmacher]

The clavinet is doubling the bassline. It is definitely a clav.

[dudewheresmybass]

Is there not an emulation on the ehx 9 series pedals?