Barking Spiders Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 I googled this Nad Sylvan bloke. he looks like Bette Midler after a night on the lash. Very disturbing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said: I googled this Nad Sylvan bloke. he looks like Bette Midler after a night on the lash. Very disturbing You want to hear him sing, man... (Or maybe not) Steve must like him though, and that's what counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 20 March 2019 at 21:45, wateroftyne said: I can handle most of that apart from Nad Sylvan. He's completely dreadful. I think the problem is that Steve is such a nice guy. He's been touring for years and probably regards Nad as one of the family and does not want to upset things. In truth it would be infinitely better if Nad was replaced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: ...In That Quiet Earth. Why though? (singer playing bass that is) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, toneknob said: Why though? (singer playing bass that is) Just watched a clip of them doing it. Collins/Gabriel-alike: bass part Rutherford-alike: Jangly 12-string Hackett-alike: Lead part In '77's shows, Genesis had to sacrifice the jangly 12-string. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo-London Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 And yet he's replaced his drummer of 19 years - so loyalty is maybe no longer his thing? Peace Davo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 36 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: Just watched a clip of them doing it. Collins/Gabriel-alike: bass part Rutherford-alike: Jangly 12-string Hackett-alike: Lead part In '77's shows, Genesis had to sacrifice the jangly 12-string. So they're a Genesis studio tribute rather than a Genesis live tribute. Kind of verifies what I've been told previously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, toneknob said: So they're a Genesis studio tribute rather than a Genesis live tribute. Kind of verifies what I've been told previously I dunno - they don't look much like Genesis sitting in a studio :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: I dunno - they don't look much like Genesis sitting in a studio 🙂 Yes I've never understood why they do the "studio" version "live" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, toneknob said: Yes I've never understood why they do the "studio" version "live" It wouldn't put me off - I'd go and see them no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: ...In That Quiet Earth. Ta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 17 hours ago, Woodinblack said: Will see anything with Beggs in anyway. Seems the music box are popular here. Maybe it is because I was never an 'old' genesis fan, I am a 'Rating everything from trick of the tail downwards' sort of guy, so they didn't move me at all. I must admit as a prog guy I have a bit of a problem in that most people I know who want to do prog just want to rehash genesis stuff (or yes). Sure I like them but that was 40-50 years ago and there has been a lot of decent stuff since then My favourite studio Genesis is early Phil-era (from TOTT up to and including ATTWT), and I actually prefer the Seconds Out versions of the classics to the studio or live Gabriel versions. However my problem with most modern Prog is I don't like it very much. For a start it tends to veer far too much towards the rock end of the spectrum for me (I love classic rock, but that & prog generally don't mix very well IMO), e.g. the dreadful Dream Theater. Unfortunately it may be 40 or 50 years ago but nothing has come close since IMO. I love Nick Beggs, but in Hackett's band he simply wasn't authentic enough for me, in note choice or sound. Would have loved to see Pomeroy in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, wateroftyne said: It wouldn't put me off - I'd go and see them no question. For roughly the same ticket price, actual Steve Hackett wins hands down for me (despite Nad Sylvan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, toneknob said: For roughly the same ticket price, actual Steve Hackett wins hands down for me (despite Nad Sylvan) I've seen him a few times. Never seen TMB. And I wouldn't have to watch Nad. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, 4000 said: I love Nick Beggs, but in Hackett's band he simply wasn't authentic enough for me, in note choice or sound. Would have loved to see Pomeroy in them. Agreed - Beggsy is great but Lee Pomeroy's playing was spot on in Hackett's band. Jonas Reingold is doing a pretty good job as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 minute ago, wateroftyne said: I've seen him a few times. Never seen TMB. And I wouldn't have to watch Nad. 😄 Yep, seen both several times as well. As a classic Genesis fan I'm sure you'll enjoy the show! As mentioned before it's great theatre, and a massive nostalgia fest. (regarding Steve Hackett, ditto the latter as well. unless he plays the "new stuff" ie after * insert preferred cut off date here * ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 52 minutes ago, 4000 said: However my problem with most modern Prog is I don't like it very much. For a start it tends to veer far too much towards the rock end of the spectrum for me (I love classic rock, but that & prog generally don't mix very well IMO), e.g. the dreadful Dream Theater. Unfortunately it may be 40 or 50 years ago but nothing has come close since IMO. Aha, I reckon you're thinking of progressive metal. There's plenty of modern progressive music/rock that doesn't veer into metal territory. Off the top of my head there's Arena, Frost*, Riverside, Threshold, Steven Wilson just for starters. Youtube can be a goldmine. (there's also loads of really good prog metal out there too, but it doesn't sound like that's your thing.) Naturally, 'good' is in the ear of the beholder and all this is just IMO etc, I'm sure there will be plenty of people who go "Riverside? bleucch!". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, toneknob said: Yep, seen both several times as well. As a classic Genesis fan I'm sure you'll enjoy the show! As mentioned before it's great theatre, and a massive nostalgia fest. (regarding Steve Hackett, ditto the latter as well. unless he plays the "new stuff" ie after * insert preferred cut off date here * ) Agreed, TMB must be seen. My cut off with Steve is Guitar Noir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Ah ha, see...the track's called Watcher Of the Skies and Nad's got out his antique telescope to erm, look at the skies! Nice touch! And then he starts signing....oops. And I thought Gabriel's and Collins' vocals in Genesis were hard enough to take. The blonde geezer the camera shot at 4.43 had the right idea. Yikes some people must be really tone deaf judging by some of the 👍 in the YT comments 🤔😕 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: Just listening to Steve's last gig with Genesis. 42 years ago this year! Olympiahalle, Munich - 3/7/77 Squonk One For The Vine Robbery, Assault & Battery Inside and Out Firth of Fifth The Carpet Crawlers In That Quiet Earth Afterglow I Know What I Like 11th Earl of Mar Supper's Ready Dance on a Volcano Los Endos The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway The Musical Box I never did quite understand why they put The Cinema Show (from 1976) on Seconds Out when they had other tracks like One For The Vine that they could have used. The Cinema Show's a lovely version and it does give a nod to Bill Bruford's time with them. Also at the time they crammed as many tracks as possible onto double vinyl (which rendered the bass very lightweight), surely the other tracks still exist and are worthy of a double CD release in the correct running order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UglyDog Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Barking Spiders said: Ah ha, see...the track's called Watcher Of the Skies and Nad's got out his antique telescope to erm, look at the skies! Nice touch! And then he starts signing....oops. And I thought Gabriel's and Collins' vocals in Genesis were hard enough to take. The blonde geezer the camera shot at 4.43 had the right idea. Yikes some people must be really tone deaf judging by some of the 👍 in the YT comments 🤔😕 Yikes indeed. Last time I heard vocals like that, they were bellowing 'My Way' into a karaoke machine. A mate is going to one of the dates on this tour, asked me if I fancied it but I had a prior engagement. Sounds like I may have had a lucky escape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: Genesis went on to do the same trick with Three Sides Live 🙄 Three Sides Live was a mess and blatant fan exploitation. Three sides of mostly carbon copy album tracks and side four full of bait for diehards. Shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 1 hour ago, hiram.k.hackenbacker said: Yes, it is a bit, but I still like it. Why they never made more of the Lyceum gigs in 1980 mystifies me. There is complete audio from one of the nights, May 7th I believe. There's a jigsaw audio/video of both shows on YT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 8 hours ago, 4000 said: However my problem with most modern Prog is I don't like it very much. For a start it tends to veer far too much towards the rock end of the spectrum for me (I love classic rock, but that & prog generally don't mix very well IMO), e.g. the dreadful Dream Theater. Unfortunately it may be 40 or 50 years ago but nothing has come close since IMO. Oh I wouldn’t listen to dream theatre, I wouldn’t actually consider that prog rock, that’s more metal. Steve Wilson though, or before that porcupine tree, would see him over any genesis incarnation any day. Older stocks beard too. Even considering trick of the tail is my favourite album ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted March 23, 2019 Share Posted March 23, 2019 5 hours ago, spectoremg said: Three Sides Live was a mess and blatant fan exploitation. Three sides of mostly carbon copy album tracks and side four full of bait for diehards. Shameful. Three Sides Live is mint. I'm glad it exists. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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