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2 hours ago, ped said:

Insane lol. Bit extreme.

My title is a tribute to Scott's ones. Attracting like what I used to learn as a free journalist many many many many many many many many moons ago : the title must push the reader to go further. Job done. Now, I can go back to 😴

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7 minutes ago, Hellzero said:

My title is a tribute to Scott's ones. Attracting like what I used to learn as a free journalist many many many many many many many many moons ago : the title must push the reader to go further. Job done. Now, I can go back to 😴

Like 'Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster'? :)

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I see no problem with Scott charging for his services if SBL is his primary source of income. If you don't want to pay for something, don't buy it and look for free or cheap alternative! I don't subscribe to any sites as the only lessons I'm interested in are slap and between Scott,  Talking Bass and other good tutors there's enough on YT for me . I don't make any money from bass playing so I see no point paying for lessons if I can find good quality free stuff.

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Hey dudes, it finally uploaded...

So, word of warning... this ended up a little (understatement) longer than I though it was gonna be, but I wanted to cover a few things. 

Things I hit upon that may be of interest:

  • The reason why we're experimenting with longer form dripped courses outside of the SBL Academy 
  • What's actually included within the SBL Academy (for those of you who have no idea)
  • The reason why my YouTube content has changed over the years (this will probably be of most interest to you, as it's likely not what you think)
  • Am I the same in "real life"... or is it a show for the camera? 
  • And a bunch or other morning ramblings 

Ezzzzz ;)

 

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3 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said:

I see no problem with Scott charging for his services if SBL is his primary source of income. If you don't want to pay for something, don't buy it and look for free or cheap alternative! I don't subscribe to any sites as the only lessons I'm interested in are slap and between Scott,  Talking Bass and other good tutors there's enough on YT for me . I don't make any money from bass playing so I see no point paying for lessons if I can find good quality free stuff.

As a subscriber, I was supposed to have access to all SBL content : THAT is the problem, because since a few months Scott started extra paying lessons, courses, masterclasses, ... even for regular members. As I wrote, I don't give a sh*t about money and hate it : my wife owns everything including the house and I'm paying for all. But if I pay for something, I want to have it (for my wife or sometimes myself) : is it so hard to understand ?

I know Scott isn't insane and that he loves his wife too (the 50% share is a proof), but he's making promises to the subscribers he doesn't keep.

That's what's been hurting me.

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3 minutes ago, Hellzero said:

As I wrote, I don't give a sh*t about money and hate it : my wife owns everything including the house and I'm paying for all. But if I pay for something, I want to have it (for my wife or sometimes myself) : is it so hard to understand ?

So, you don't care about the money, you pay for everything but you don't own it, and at the same time if you pay for something you want to have it? 

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10 minutes ago, Hellzero said:

As a subscriber, I was supposed to have access to all SBL content : THAT is the problem, because since a few months Scott started extra paying lessons, courses, masterclasses, ... even for regular members. As I wrote, I don't give a sh*t about money and hate it : my wife owns everything including the house and I'm paying for all. But if I pay for something, I want to have it (for my wife or sometimes myself) : is it so hard to understand ?

I know Scott isn't insane and that he loves his wife too (the 50% share is a proof), but he's making promises to the subscribers he doesn't keep.

That's what's been hurting me.

I think you should start Hellzero's Bass Lessons.

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8 minutes ago, mr.noisy said:

So, you don't care about the money, you pay for everything but you don't own it, and at the same time if you pay for something you want to have it? 

Because I really know the value of money.

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27 minutes ago, devinebass said:

Hey dudes, it finally uploaded...

So, word of warning... this ended up a little (understatement) longer than I though it was gonna be, but I wanted to cover a few things. 

Things I hit upon that may be of interest:

  • The reason why we're experimenting with longer form dripped courses outside of the SBL Academy 
  • What's actually included within the SBL Academy (for those of you who have no idea)
  • The reason why my YouTube content has changed over the years (this will probably be of most interest to you, as it's likely not what you think)
  • Am I the same in "real life"... or is it a show for the camera? 
  • And a bunch or other morning ramblings 

Ezzzzz ;)

 

This is well worth a watch. It's like a TED talk....

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1 hour ago, devinebass said:

Hey dudes, it finally uploaded...

So, word of warning... this ended up a little (understatement) longer than I though it was gonna be, but I wanted to cover a few things. 

Things I hit upon that may be of interest:

  • The reason why we're experimenting with longer form dripped courses outside of the SBL Academy 
  • What's actually included within the SBL Academy (for those of you who have no idea)
  • The reason why my YouTube content has changed over the years (this will probably be of most interest to you, as it's likely not what you think)
  • Am I the same in "real life"... or is it a show for the camera? 
  • And a bunch or other morning ramblings 

Ezzzzz ;)

 

Phew! I made it through - Scott was kind enough to go into quite a deep explanation, so I thought it fair to fully watch this. I did have to stop at 11 mins and catch up on some Brexit news, I couldn't make it all the way through in one sitting but I have watched it all now. 

A summary would be:

- The new stuff is different/much longer/more costly, so it can't really fit into the academy
- 'Clickbait' works - its not just a simple case of put a video up and expect the views to thunder in, you need to rise up in a sea of content. (ie, take the titles with a pinch of salt)

Rest assured, Scott's from the Mothership - he's one of us. He's just been in the right place at the right time to really capture the new wave of online education with Youtube and other stuff, and this has by necessity somewhat thrust him into the public limelight. But its kinda uncool talking about his sanity, financial background or marriage all the same.

 

Scott - don't take this the wrong way - but have you considered approaching porn production companies? They similarly, have had to adapt to a mainly online world, and no doubt have had production costs squeezed, are into a similar thing (video/online content) and are in a saturated market. I suspect the costs of production are a bit on the high side and maybe this could help here?

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2 hours ago, devinebass said:

Hey dudes, it finally uploaded...

So, word of warning... this ended up a little (understatement) longer than I though it was gonna be, but I wanted to cover a few things. 

Things I hit upon that may be of interest:

  • The reason why we're experimenting with longer form dripped courses outside of the SBL Academy 
  • What's actually included within the SBL Academy (for those of you who have no idea)
  • The reason why my YouTube content has changed over the years (this will probably be of most interest to you, as it's likely not what you think)
  • Am I the same in "real life"... or is it a show for the camera? 
  • And a bunch or other morning ramblings 

Ezzzzz ;)

 

Good talk Scott.

Absolutely fascinating, watched from beginning to end.

Thanks for being so candid re youtube, also for the clarity over what is SBL vs what is external.

Perfect response to this thread.

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SBL isn't for me (prefer face to face lessons), but if it works for you, great, and it's great for Scott that he can make a crust from this & reach so many bass players across the world. Why do people always want to knock others that make a success of something?

 

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14 minutes ago, sammybee said:

SBL isn't for me (prefer face to face lessons), but if it works for you, great, and it's great for Scott that he can make a crust from this & reach so many bass players across the world. Why do people always want to knock others that make a success of something?

 

It's the British way or something.

Build them up 👍, and when they seem to be doing well - knock 'em back down again. 👎

And lets be honest, once you've had your picture taken with @TheGreekyou're pretty much right up there! 😎

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I'm a life member of SBL.  To be honest, I've learned a hell of a lot and more than had my moneysworth.  As for GW... I guess his time costs money.... if you don't like it, don't do it.  It ain't for everyone.  I didn't because I'm still working my way through a lot of other stuff, and I felt I didn't really need it right now.  That may or may not change, I dunno. 

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When I started bass again after a couple of decades off, I clocked YouTube for a few freebie lessons and found most resonance with Scott Devine's videos (for bass guitar) and those of Geoff Chalmers (for DB). Clearly, the funk/jazz thing is where I belong, so this was the obvious site to hit. Anyway, I subscribed - lifetime - and I pick through the courses for what I want, rather than trying to do everything. However, sometimes I will find a course that I wasn't looking for but piques my interest anyway, so I will give it a go.  Steve Lawson's Fretless course was essential viewing for me, and I watched Phil Mann's slap courses to get myself into that technique, because it was something I'd not done before. But...I also enjoyed courses by Jonathan Maron, Andrew Gouche and Bobby Vega without knowing too much about any of those guys before, so those were nice surprises. And that's why I like the Academy, I'm constantly finding stuff out that I didn't know before.  I don't LIVE in the Academy site, but it's really helped me to get back into the swing of this. (Yes, literally.)

And...at the first London Bass Guitar Show I attended, I went along to the SBL room and picked up a lot of stuff; though what I enjoyed the most was Scott playing live with Mike Outram and a BRILLIANT Brazilian drummer whose name escapes me (sorry @devinebass, you did tell us but I'm old and I forget.....sorry what was I saying?).

I don't mind Scott's occasional "waffle" introduction to a vid - if I do get fed up at any time, hey I know how to use a fast forward. I just like to see the enthusiasm - better than some miserable person trying to lecture me on the intricacies of A Minor Demented Mode and making the whole thing seem too much like hard work. So no, I don't begrudge him anything - clearly he's worked damned hard on this and it's something that fills a need, my need in fact; so why not?

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