PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) I’m working with a three piece punk/new wave/post-punk band and I am using my Fishman Fission Powerchord that fills out the sound nicely for the band, it works shockingly well once you learn how to play it. I also use small amounts of bass fx with them, nothing major (the usual) but at present my bass goes into the Fission and uses the pedal to split off to the bass amp (mixed low wet/dry signal) and the “guitar” amp (fx-only signal), but not really ideal, also the bass amp hums when both amps are connected via different outputs. I would like to split the bass signal on the pedalboard and then run two paralllel signals - one to fishman fission, one to bass fx ideally some foot volume control so I can kick In and out either signal what is the best way to do this? EDIT: to further complexify things: I have a Chapman Stick SB8 (can be a stereo signal) and an NS Design EUB in the wings and perhaps it’s time coherently pull them all together? Small notepad style mixing desk overkill? Edited April 9, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) Hum wise I am considering a line isolation box or two to deal with the hum (and are good things to have anyway) https://www.palmer-germany.com/en/products/line-isolators/5180/pli-01?c=2123 ...but I want to get it all sorted I’m my head before I leap so I don’t buy anything I don’t need and it does not really deal with splitting signals and volume or kick in/out. Edited April 9, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) I'm not sure if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick, but would an A/B/Y pedal do what you're looking for? Apologies if I've got it wrong. *Also, Palmer pedals are very,very well made! Edited April 9, 2019 by Teebs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) I don’t know I’ve never used dual amps or pedals at all until recently so I don’t even know what i need. Edited April 9, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) ABY switchers let you split a signal to channel A, or channel B or both channels Y. Better explanation below https://www.radialeng.com/understanding-aby-switchers Edited April 9, 2019 by Teebs sbelings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) I see. Anything that does this that acts as a straight though signal splitter for bass and adds a on off switch plus a volume pedal on the “guitar” signal side? Ideally I want as many functions in one box as possible. Edited April 9, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teebs Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 *many, many other ABY Pedals are available - just thought Radial had a good explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeponehandloose Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Boss Ls2 line selector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 9, 2019 Author Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) So an ABY box and any general purpose volume pot with a kick on/off downstream is is the way to go... right? If hums persist use the Palmer box? Edited April 9, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, PunkPonyPrincess said: I would like to split the bass signal on the pedalboard and then run two paralllel signals - one to fishman fission, one to bass fx ideally some foot volume control so I can kick In and out either signal what is the best way to do this? EDIT: to further complexify things: I have a Chapman Stick SB8 (can be a stereo signal) and an NS Design EUB in the wings For four-in, two-out, foot-switchable routing - perhaps a Boss ES-5 or MS-3? Also you could contact http://www.brightonion.co.uk/ for his best (custom-made) suggestion. Edited April 9, 2019 by jrixn1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 You're basically creating an earth loop which is causing the hum. The old method was to disconnect the earth from one of the amps. The amp is still earthed through the input cable. This is however frowned upon in the 21st century. What you need is something like this, Behringer MICROHD Hum Destroyer HD400. That will do the job. https://www.gear4music.com/Recording-and-Computers/Behringer-MICROHD-HD400-Hum-Destroyer/6RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnyman Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, jrixn1 said: For four-in, two-out, foot-switchable routing - perhaps a Boss ES-5 or MS-3? Also you could contact http://www.brightonion.co.uk/ for his best (custom-made) suggestion. +1 to the brightonion.co.uk suggestion. i mailed them a with a query and they responded within 24 hours. Really helpful chaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basslass Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Here's an example of a two signal ampless solution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 If you want to eliminate the hum that comes from ground loops, you need a switcher that has one of the outputs electrically isolated from the other. So not a cheap ABY or LS-2. I have a Radial Twin City only used once and surplus to requirements I've been meaning to list should you decide to get one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I read your first post and decided I was going to suggest Brightonion, but it's already been suggested and seconded. Consider this another endorsement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 If you have an old octave pedal knocking about these usually have an FX out and a dry out so you could set the FX to zero and get a split signal, normally they allow a dry/FX vol control out to so you can play with the balance too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PunkPonyPrincess Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 (edited) I had (up til joining Basschat) one bass* and no pedals, I was for decades that slightly odd thing, a bassist without a single pedal, learning to play without even comp... it’s kinda cool, but ultimately limiting and why I know nothing about pedals. Will call the onion folk and get something specced to my needs. If they recommend an external ground loop Isolator i’ll go with a Palmer unit and a volume pedal inline. Thanks. *Current count is four basses, Inc two fretless and a Chapman stick, plus midi bass pedals set up for Taurus *and* Mellotron.... and I’m supposed to be a punk! Edited April 10, 2019 by PunkPonyPrincess 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Could an ms60b not do this with the splitter effect? Can also double up as your tuner and compressor! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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