Si600 Posted April 3 Posted April 3 I asked a Machine Learning Algorithm (Commonly, but incorrectly, called AI) to suggest a patch to emulate JJB's sound on Rattus Norwegicus and this is what it came up with... I have no idea if it sounds any good, I'll find out this evening. Example Patch Effect 1: SVT Amp Model Gain: 70 Bass: 45 Mid: 65 Treble: 50 Effect 2: BassDrive Distortion Drive: 75 Level: 50 Blend: 60 Effect 3: Compressor Threshold: -25 Ratio: 4 Gain: 6 Knee: Hard 2 Quote
JohnDaBass Posted April 3 Posted April 3 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Si600 said: I asked a Machine Learning Algorithm (Commonly, but incorrectly, called AI) Now that's interesting, is my understanding correct, you simply entered the tone you wanted and the machine provided the settings? Which MLA did you use? Finding tones and sounds on Zoom B1FOUR would be a breeze if the MLA did all the hard work, even if the suggested settings needed tweaks. Edited April 3 by JohnDaBass Grammar Quote
Si600 Posted April 3 Posted April 3 (edited) I used MS CoPilot because it's part of our 365 subscription! But yes, I just asked it. Q and A in full. What's the best settings on a Zoom B3n to get JJ Burnel's bass tone, specifically from the first three albums Copilot said: Copilot To emulate JJ Burnel's iconic bass tone from The Stranglers' first three albums using a Zoom B3n, you'll want to focus on a few key elements: Bass Guitar and Playing Style Bass: JJ Burnel primarily used a Fender Precision Bass. Pick: Use a pick to get that aggressive attack. Action: Set the action low to get more string noise and growl. Zoom B3n Settings Amp Model: Choose a model that emulates a vintage tube amp, such as the "SVT" or "Bassman" models. Distortion: Use a distortion effect like "BassDrive" or "SansAmp" to add grit. Set the gain high but keep the level balanced. EQ: Bass: Cut the bass slightly to avoid muddiness. Midrange: Boost the midrange to emphasize the growl and punch. Treble: Keep the treble moderate to retain clarity without harshness. Compressor: Use a compressor to tighten the sound. Settings like threshold at -25, ratio at 3 or 4, gain at 6, and hard knee can help Cabinet Simulation: Use a cabinet sim that emulates a 4x10 or 8x10 setup for a fuller sound. Example Patch Effect 1: SVT Amp Model Gain: 70 Bass: 45 Mid: 65 Treble: 50 Effect 2: BassDrive Distortion Drive: 75 Level: 50 Blend: 60 Effect 3: Compressor Threshold: -25 Ratio: 4 Gain: 6 Knee: Hard Additional Tips Experiment with the EQ settings to match your specific bass and playing style. Adjust the distortion level to find the sweet spot between grit and clarity. Use the Zoom B3n's noise reduction feature to cut unwanted noise during pauses I am not saying it'll be right out of the box, nor even if it's going to not be a total mush, but it could be ballpark at the least. I was interested to see what happened more than anything else. Edited April 3 by Si600 1 Quote
PaulWarning Posted April 3 Posted April 3 18 minutes ago, Si600 said: I used MS CoPilot because it's part of our 365 subscription! But yes, I just asked it. Q and A in full. What's the best settings on a Zoom B3n to get JJ Burnel's bass tone, specifically from the first three albums Copilot said: Copilot To emulate JJ Burnel's iconic bass tone from The Stranglers' first three albums using a Zoom B3n, you'll want to focus on a few key elements: Bass Guitar and Playing Style Bass: JJ Burnel primarily used a Fender Precision Bass. Pick: Use a pick to get that aggressive attack. Action: Set the action low to get more string noise and growl. Zoom B3n Settings Amp Model: Choose a model that emulates a vintage tube amp, such as the "SVT" or "Bassman" models. Distortion: Use a distortion effect like "BassDrive" or "SansAmp" to add grit. Set the gain high but keep the level balanced. EQ: Bass: Cut the bass slightly to avoid muddiness. Midrange: Boost the midrange to emphasize the growl and punch. Treble: Keep the treble moderate to retain clarity without harshness. Compressor: Use a compressor to tighten the sound. Settings like threshold at -25, ratio at 3 or 4, gain at 6, and hard knee can help Cabinet Simulation: Use a cabinet sim that emulates a 4x10 or 8x10 setup for a fuller sound. Example Patch Effect 1: SVT Amp Model Gain: 70 Bass: 45 Mid: 65 Treble: 50 Effect 2: BassDrive Distortion Drive: 75 Level: 50 Blend: 60 Effect 3: Compressor Threshold: -25 Ratio: 4 Gain: 6 Knee: Hard Additional Tips Experiment with the EQ settings to match your specific bass and playing style. Adjust the distortion level to find the sweet spot between grit and clarity. Use the Zoom B3n's noise reduction feature to cut unwanted noise during pauses I am not saying it'll be right out of the box, nor even if it's going to not be a total mush, but it could be ballpark at the least. I was interested to see what happened more than anything else. that is about what I've got my B1on set at which I don't think is a million miles away, most people do add too much treble when trying to get his sound Quote
Si600 Posted April 3 Posted April 3 (edited) Well, the suggestions from the machine of SVT into a Bass Drv (Sansamp clone) and then into my own GK head sounded bloody awful TBH! I ended up with this: DarkPre: Gain: 75 Bass: 50 Mid: 70 Treble: 55 Level: 55 Graphic EQ: Boost: 800 Hz to 1 kHz Cut: 200 Hz Boost: 3 kHz Which may not be exactly accurate, but it sounds really nice. On the off chance we record anything I'll post it up. Edited April 4 by Si600 Quote
JohnDaBass Posted April 4 Posted April 4 On 03/04/2025 at 09:35, Si600 said: I used MS CoPilot because it's part of our 365 subscription! But yes, I just asked it. Q and A in full. What's the best settings on a Zoom B3n to get JJ Burnel's bass tone, specifically from the first three albums Copilot said: Copilot To emulate JJ Burnel's iconic bass tone from The Stranglers' first three albums using a Zoom B3n, you'll want to focus on a few key elements: Bass Guitar and Playing Style Bass: JJ Burnel primarily used a Fender Precision Bass. Pick: Use a pick to get that aggressive attack. Action: Set the action low to get more string noise and growl. Zoom B3n Settings Amp Model: Choose a model that emulates a vintage tube amp, such as the "SVT" or "Bassman" models. Distortion: Use a distortion effect like "BassDrive" or "SansAmp" to add grit. Set the gain high but keep the level balanced. EQ: Bass: Cut the bass slightly to avoid muddiness. Midrange: Boost the midrange to emphasize the growl and punch. Treble: Keep the treble moderate to retain clarity without harshness. Compressor: Use a compressor to tighten the sound. Settings like threshold at -25, ratio at 3 or 4, gain at 6, and hard knee can help Cabinet Simulation: Use a cabinet sim that emulates a 4x10 or 8x10 setup for a fuller sound. Example Patch Effect 1: SVT Amp Model Gain: 70 Bass: 45 Mid: 65 Treble: 50 Effect 2: BassDrive Distortion Drive: 75 Level: 50 Blend: 60 Effect 3: Compressor Threshold: -25 Ratio: 4 Gain: 6 Knee: Hard Additional Tips Experiment with the EQ settings to match your specific bass and playing style. Adjust the distortion level to find the sweet spot between grit and clarity. Use the Zoom B3n's noise reduction feature to cut unwanted noise during pauses I am not saying it'll be right out of the box, nor even if it's going to not be a total mush, but it could be ballpark at the least. I was interested to see what happened more than anything else. Tried the MLA out on a Jack Bruce specific tone on the 69 Goodbye album and it worked a treat. Thanks Si for the heads up. 1 Quote
PaulWarning Posted April 12 Posted April 12 On 03/04/2025 at 09:35, Si600 said: I used MS CoPilot because it's part of our 365 subscription! But yes, I just asked it. Q and A in full. What's the best settings on a Zoom B3n to get JJ Burnel's bass tone, specifically from the first three albums Copilot said: Copilot To emulate JJ Burnel's iconic bass tone from The Stranglers' first three albums using a Zoom B3n, you'll want to focus on a few key elements: Bass Guitar and Playing Style Bass: JJ Burnel primarily used a Fender Precision Bass. Pick: Use a pick to get that aggressive attack. Action: Set the action low to get more string noise and growl. Zoom B3n Settings Amp Model: Choose a model that emulates a vintage tube amp, such as the "SVT" or "Bassman" models. Distortion: Use a distortion effect like "BassDrive" or "SansAmp" to add grit. Set the gain high but keep the level balanced. EQ: Bass: Cut the bass slightly to avoid muddiness. Midrange: Boost the midrange to emphasize the growl and punch. Treble: Keep the treble moderate to retain clarity without harshness. Compressor: Use a compressor to tighten the sound. Settings like threshold at -25, ratio at 3 or 4, gain at 6, and hard knee can help Cabinet Simulation: Use a cabinet sim that emulates a 4x10 or 8x10 setup for a fuller sound. Example Patch Effect 1: SVT Amp Model Gain: 70 Bass: 45 Mid: 65 Treble: 50 Effect 2: BassDrive Distortion Drive: 75 Level: 50 Blend: 60 Effect 3: Compressor Threshold: -25 Ratio: 4 Gain: 6 Knee: Hard Additional Tips Experiment with the EQ settings to match your specific bass and playing style. Adjust the distortion level to find the sweet spot between grit and clarity. Use the Zoom B3n's noise reduction feature to cut unwanted noise during pauses I am not saying it'll be right out of the box, nor even if it's going to not be a total mush, but it could be ballpark at the least. I was interested to see what happened more than anything else. had any luck with these settings? sounded bloody awful when I tried it, way too much distortion Quote
Si600 Posted April 12 Posted April 12 Yep, I thought that as well so I threw the amp and cab sims away and it sounds much better for it. However what I'm actually using is based on the Dark Pre patch. I'll see if I can download it on Thursday and upload it here if it works. 2 Quote
Si600 Posted April 18 Posted April 18 (edited) This is what I'm using as my current drive patch. It started off by me asking the MLA for the best guess at JJB's sound from Rattus Norvegicus. As disscussed above that resulted in a horrible mess so I refined said question by asking it to use the Dark Pre, and no amp sims and it has ended up with the attached. Before you all jump in and say it sounds nothing like it, probably not, but it was an interesting experiment and I've ended up with a sound I like. Which is the important bit I think 🙂 I've also chucked a chorus in it to get a second drive patch and created a clean patch from it by winding the gain on the Dark Pre back to 10. EDIT, created and uploaded with Tone-Lib, but I imagine you could use ZoneLabs to open it if you don't use Tone-Lib. Drive.zb3n Edited April 18 by Si600 2 Quote
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