rodney72a Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 (edited) Original finish? Which colour? Got a link? Edited May 18, 2019 by rodney72a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Dan Dare said: You don't have to be Einstein to work out that an auction room full of furniture and bric a brac collectors in Stow on the Wold isn't the best place in the world to sell an electric guitar... My thoughts exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest subaudio Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Bad form is all the bbc does these days, I refuse to watch or listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHM Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Seems odd an old couple selling their son's bass. It's usually the other way round. I didn't see the programme, so it might have been explained. I wonder if they considered giving it to a local young bass player to help get him/her up the ladder, Today it's all about what stuff is worth and getting a quick buck. A quick grand whilst getting turned over on telly wouldn't buy me the same pleasure as helping out a youngster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobbayne Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 15 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said: I have friends that work on bargain hunt, I pointed out once that the logic of the show makes no sense, buy from a shop or fayre at full retail price then put it into a random auction to try and get more for it than they paid in the shop! How many shows follow the same format? Buy something cheap from an auction and try and sell it back to an auction at a profit. Go and look at different properties for sale and buy/not buy one. Find some old junk, do it up and sell it for a profit. ZZzzz!! 😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Hobbayne said: How many shows follow the same format? Buy something cheap from an auction and try and sell it back to an auction at a profit. Go and look at different properties for sale and buy/not buy one. Find some old junk, do it up and sell it for a profit. ZZzzz!! 😴 Yeah but at least if you buy it at an auction needing work there's a possibility of making a profit, bargain hunt is backwards because they buy the stuff from a quiant little shop at full whack then sell it at an auction where only dealers will buy stuff at bottom price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 14 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said: Yeah but at least if you buy it at an auction needing work there's a possibility of making a profit, bargain hunt is backwards because they buy the stuff from a quiant little shop at full whack then sell it at an auction where only dealers will buy stuff at bottom price. The retailer often sells it to them at 50% of the mark up price (because they’re on the telly), if you or me went in and said I’ll give you half of what your selling it for, the retailer would tell you politely to fook orf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drTStingray Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 18 May 2019 at 03:24, rodney72a said: Original finish? Which colour? Got a link? It'll be on iplayer somewhere. I hope you guys realise that Flog It, Bargain Hunt and Dickinson's Real Deal are part of the pantheon of daytime tele and for those of a certain age and persuasion it's quite relaxing viewing (unlike that programme that's just been taken off the air - which I've only ever known young to Middle Aged women watch - good riddance to that one). I think you're doing Flog It a bit of a disservice - after all the auctions they use mostly have Internet and stuff in demand (like old Moorcroft vases or vintage Stratocasters) pop up in people's searches or even alerts. Some of the stuff sold is bought by retailers who would also have to make a profit and give the item parking space for however long it may take them to sell it. Also was it fully original and was the colour desirable - it all makes a difference (even with Moorcroft vases...). So I think you're treating Flog It a bit harshly - just don't start having a go at Countdown as well....... 😂😂😂 The price sounds a little low but when I first saw this thread I was thinking they'd sold a 59 Strat for £200 or something really daft!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 On 17/05/2019 at 09:15, leschirons said: Considering the guy that presents it, Paul Martin, was a session drummer who'd worked with the Average white band and Dogs D'amour, and still plays apparently , you'd think he'd be a little more savvy on vintage instrument prices. Fair enough, he's a drummer, but you'd imagine he'd at least suggest a valuation from someone in the know so to speak. Don't suppose anything that sensible would occur to a drummer. Certainly wouldn't occur to our's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I quite like these auction shows , I don't go looking for them but they pretty inoffensive in general ... 20 hours ago, stingrayPete1977 said: Yeah but at least if you buy it at an auction needing work there's a possibility of making a profit, bargain hunt is backwards because they buy the stuff from a quiant little shop at full whack then sell it at an auction where only dealers will buy stuff at bottom price. your thinking of antiques road show there Pete , bargain hunt normally goes to posh car boot sales/ 'antique' fairs , then as has been said they rarely pay the asking price. The part that does annoy me is when the participants start engaging with the auction process, very poor form , and for some reason winds me right up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Jolie-blues Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Then as has been said they rarely pay the asking price. The part that does annoy me is when the participants start engaging with the auction process, very poor form , and for some reason winds me right up I've seen these progs from time to time, but round at someone else's house, not impressed either. I haven't had a telly for nearly two years now, took my 42" plasma to landfill when it expired , not bothered since. So that's me not complaining about the poo that's on these days. I might get one when I retire, too busy now, though my Cambridge Audio blue ray player is looking somewhat redundant. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 I was not sure if the finish, wiring and pots were original which would effect the value Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super al Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 17/05/2019 at 11:46, Nicko said: Paul Martin is one of those people tht you watch on TV and wonder how he ever got a job presenting. I hope he's more talented as a musician than he is as a personality. Funnily enough one of my small claims to fame is spending an evening in a pub near Marlborough with Paul Martin just before he got picked up for Flog It. He was a friend of a friend and he pretty much talked all night! As we were all muso types, he regailed us with his drumming tales (including Dogs d'amour). Apparently he ran an antiques shop and a TV bod who happened to enter his shop was so impressed with his chatter he got the TV gig (so I was told thru the Marlborough grapevine!). Was shocked first time I saw him on telly ("isn't that...bloke from pub!") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 17/05/2019 at 19:35, stingrayPete1977 said: I have friends that work on bargain hunt, I pointed out once that the logic of the show makes no sense, buy from a shop or fayre at full retail price then put it into a random auction to try and get more for it than they paid in the shop! There’s a similar programme called antiques road trip that my mom watches. A few times now people have bought items from antique shops and sold them for hundreds of times more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Surely the couple selling should have done some research? If they couldn’t then someone they know could have done. I thought it was pretty common knowledge that some old instruments can be quite valuable? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, ambient said: I thought it was pretty common knowledge that some old instruments can be quite valuable? Some old cars are worth a lot more than others. For example, classic Fords from the 60s are worth a lot more than comparable Vauxhall from the same era. That's common knowledge to those who are interested in classic cars from the 60s, but I'd waged most folk wouldn't have a clue. Same with vintage guitars, if you don't know your Fenders from Fernandes' you wouldn't be any the wiser. A thousand pounds is a lot of money and if you have no idea of values of vintage instruments, that is easily representative of a valuable guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) I'm finding it really interesting how the responsibility for knowing if an accurate valuation has given is being placed at the feet of the owners, with the suggestion being they should do their research. But, isn't going to an antiques expert for a valuation doing research? Especially a proclaimed Expert who works for Auntie Beeb, the most trustworthy of all the media outlets who wouldn't see an old couple lose a grand on a guitar just cos it makes good (in the loosest sense of the word) TV. Pre-internet, speaking to an expert was research. Not everyone knows how to mine the Web for useful information and how to differentiate the nonsense from the useful. For me, Flog It is basically The Antiques Roadshow for those who don't say "oh we'll never sell it, it's been in the family for generations and will handed down to our grandchildrens grandchildren." The premis is the same, people have old things that they don't know the value of, so take it to an expert to find out. 🤷🏻♂️ Edited May 20, 2019 by StevieE Autocorrect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyR Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 19/05/2019 at 04:09, steantval said: The retailer often sells it to them at 50% of the mark up price (because they’re on the telly), if you or me went in and said I’ll give you half of what your selling it for, the retailer would tell you politely to fook orf. I have tried that. They were not polite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 hours ago, StevieE said: I'm finding it really interesting how the responsibility for knowing if an accurate valuation has given is being placed at the feet of the owners, with the suggestion being they should do their research. Who else's responsibility can it be? The buyer's? The Government's? The Man in the Moon's? I suspect most people go the Flog It et al because they think they won't have to pay for a valuation. Do you really not "do the research" when you're buying or selling something? You must be either made of money or stoney broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, StevieE said: I'm finding it really interesting how the responsibility for knowing if an accurate valuation has given is being placed at the feet of the owners, with the suggestion being they should do their research. But, isn't going to an antiques expert for a valuation doing research? Especially a proclaimed Expert who works for Auntie Beeb, the most trustworthy of all the media outlets who wouldn't see an old couple lose a grand on a guitar just cos it makes good (in the loosest sense of the word) TV. Pre-internet, speaking to an expert was research. Not everyone knows how to mine the Web for useful information and how to differentiate the nonsense from the useful. For me, Flog It is basically The Antiques Roadshow for those who don't say "oh we'll never sell it, it's been in the family for generations and will handed down to our grandchildrens grandchildren." The premis is the same, people have old things that they don't know the value of, so take it to an expert to find out. 🤷🏻♂️ If I wanted an instrument valued I'd take it to a specialist shop. I'd check eBay, I'd search the internet. I wouldn't take it to an antique expert, he may well be an expert in valuing a pot by Clarice Cliff, but a vintage Fender is something totally different. You only have to watch the programme to see how out they can be with their valuations. People are saying the responsibility lies at the feet of the owners because they own it. Edited May 20, 2019 by ambient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dan Dare said: Who else's responsibility can it be? The buyer's? The Government's? The Man in the Moon's? I suspect most people go the Flog It et al because they think they won't have to pay for a valuation. Do you really not "do the research" when you're buying or selling something? You must be either made of money or stoney broke. I think you're missing my point. I've already said that if you have no interest or experience with (in this case) vintage guitars, how are you supposed to know if the information you're reading is accurate. The internet is full of misinformation about all sorts of things, to expect someone who knows nothing of the subject to mine through all that info to come to an informed decision would require them to approach it from an informed position in the first place. Given this couple fall directly into the target audience for the show and are appearing on the show, you can make a pretty safe assumption that they believe that these Beeb assured experts are fully trustworthy and will have put their faith in them to accurately perform the valuation, just like the show purports to do. That's why I think the producers have show such bad form in this case. They will know their audience better than anyone. You know that the advise from the expert should have been "dunno, specialist auction", so will the producers. What I'd do is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 41 minutes ago, ambient said: People are saying the responsibility lies at the feet of the owners because they own it. Also the owners have't just had the TV turn up and offer to sell their stuff - they are motivated by the hope of making a killing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, ambient said: If I wanted an instrument valued I'd take it to a specialist shop. I'd check eBay, I'd search the internet. I wouldn't take it to an antique expert, he may well be an expert in valuing a pot by Clarice Cliff, but a vintage Fender is something totally different. You only have to watch the programme to see how out they can be with their valuations. People are saying the responsibility lies at the feet of the owners because they own it. Just as what I'd do is irrelevant, to be fair so is what you'd do. The couple made a decision to go on the show which is unarguably wrong. But the point of this thread is that the flogit producers & experts should have shown a bit of care and redirected them to a specialist. That they didn't, simply to make "good" TV is poor form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleOhStephan Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: Also the owners have't just had the TV turn up and offer to sell their stuff - they are motivated by the hope of making a killing. What's wrong with wanting to make some money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 17/05/2019 at 13:45, oldslapper said: It recently took a stuffing 🤦🏻♂️ Really? I thought it was dead popular, I heard people were dying to give it a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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