DoubleOhStephan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: There was only 3 on that list that I’ve never heard of, whats , Trap music , and reggaeton 🤔 From the Spotify list? If you click on the name it will give you a selection of tracks to listen to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, DoubleOhStephan said: From the Spotify list? If you click on the name it will give you a selection of tracks to listen to. Thanks double o , 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Rock is not dead, nor does it have nothing more to say..... it is just no longer as mainstream as it was and therefore you need to look a little further to find the good stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathy Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 It's only dead in terms of providing an income to Bobby Gillespie! Similar to why Gene Simmons says the same thing. The 'industry' as he knew it is over. The music, not so much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project_c Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Drill and grime are as close as we can get to a modern day version of punk. It’s made by angry kids, often from poor areas, with no musical training, and on a low budget. Old people hate it and ridicule it, and they don’t get it. Just like punk, it’s a generational thing. Rock music for the most part sounds tired and full of cheesy clichès, and it reminds most people of fat old guys in leather. Doesn’t mean it’s dead, but it’s definitely boring and lifeless compared to music that’s made by angry 19 year olds. Ultimately it really doesn’t matter, if you’re in a rock band and you have fans, don’t worry about it. I play jazz, which is the deadest genre ever, but it’s not dead to me, I like it. Whether it has social relevance is another argument, but if you’re a 58 year old guy in a classic rock pub band, social relevance is not going to be high on your list of priorities anyway. Enjoy playing the music you like and let the kids invent their own entertainment. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibob Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, project_c said: Rock music for the most part sounds tired and full of cheesy clichès, and it reminds most people of fat old guys in leather. I mean, this is so far from reality it’s funny lol. Perhaps your perception of Rock has those characteristics, but i’d politely suggest that issue lies in your outlook (only defining Rock as ‘classic rock made by old white guys’), rather than the actual landscape. Si 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) I think we need to look at what we understand rock to be, looking at some of the comments my frame of reference appears significantly wider than some others. For me it is everything starting from things like Hendrix/Sabbath (or Little Richard/Bill Haley if you want to go back further) into all the genres that evolved from it. How can you say rock is dead when rock has evolved into Metal, Core, Doom, Sludge and what have you. I only need to listen to how bands like QOTSA, Karnivool, Mastodon, Intronaut, Tool, Animals as Leaders, continue to develop and define themselves and I know rock is in good shape. What are seeing is popular culture increasingly being based on “instant satisfaction”, which I believe is why kids will rather pick up a sampler than a guitar and the music industry is stuffing homogenous meaningless autotuned rubbish down their throats, doesn’t help. ....but there are still kids who step away from that and I am certain new quality music will continue to be written and new styles (be it rock, rap etc) will develop. Now some might see the band names above and say, these bands consist of 35-45 year olds..... doesn’t mean they are not evolving with every record they put out. And bands like Code Orange, Birds in Row are in their 20’s and are spearheading the development of Punkcore. So yes, 80’s hair rock is dead..... but other rock based genres are still relevant and evolving. Edited May 25, 2019 by HazBeen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou24d53 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 The best thing Bobby Gillespie has ever done... https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/bobby-gillespie-this-week-dance-glorious-2391594 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymondo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I don't really care what Mr Gillespie has to say, he's entitled to his opinion of course, I just listen to any genre of music that I like. My problem is, I am not a real man...………...I do not own a drill! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, Doctor J said: Drill? The young people listen to drills? I don't know how young they were, but at 09:37 on the 25/05/2019, at least 28,472 had listened to drills. The extended compilation album seems popular. Eight hours of drilling, and very varied it is. Is Power Drill the new Power Rock? Edited May 25, 2019 by lowdown 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Rock is finished? AGAIN? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 44 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: Rock is finished? AGAIN? It's only finished when there's nobody left who wants to listen to it. Can't see that happening for a very long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 50 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: Rock is finished? AGAIN? Seems like Roger Daltrey was saying this last year. Perhaps it’s those who actually have nothing left to say who spout this old chestnut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 Surely it's just turned in for an early night! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 If you listened to an hour of Planet Rock you could be forgiven thinking rock smells a bit funny. On the one hand there's the constant rotation of usual suspects from the 60s-80s plus a bunch of 'new' faves that are regurgitating what's been before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest subaudio Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 The fatal flaw in the rock is dead trope spewed by washed up b listers is that those people only swim in populist waters where everything is dull, corporate and homogonised. There has always and will always be serious artists pushing at the boundries from all directions who have rock roots, bands like Black Midi and Tera Melos and a vast host of others. Rock isn't dead, the soul of populism is dead, but it always was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 Gillespie is wrong when he says rock is dead and clearly he's looking to push his recently released album (which probably has nothing new to say!) by spouting such a provocative statement. You only have to look at sold out stadiums to know that rock in all its forms is very much alive. But doesn't he have a point when he says it's not really saying anything new, interesting or challenging anymore? Who is today's Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen or Jimmy Hendrix? I play in three covers bands and it's much much easier to get paid bookings than for a lot of up and coming original bands here in London who can often play to empty venues for little or no money. I love the music we're playing as, it would seem, so do our audiences. But we're clearly not saying anything new whatsoever! Right...back to what I spend far too much time doing and that is GAS'ing over gear I don't need! Heading over to A/B a used Berg CN212 against my Vanderkley 210 LNT, that's come up for sale not far from me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said: If you listened to an hour of Planet Rock you could be forgiven thinking rock smells a bit funny. On the one hand there's the constant rotation of usual suspects from the 60s-80s plus a bunch of 'new' faves that are regurgitating what's been before. OI! I resemble that remark. My radio is permanently tuned to Planet Rock on DAB and Radio 4 on FM. I have much gratitude to Planet Rock for bringing things I'd missed to my attention - especially Phil Alexander for introducing me to High Tide and The Monks (60s American one) as well as encouraging me to buy Slade's first two albums. I was going to claim to being bang up to date by liking Muse and Clutch... That said I enjoy house and trance more than sludgy-death-core-djent-trash-gore-metal; but that's because dance music hits some of the same buttons as, say, Space Ritual for me, not because I want to dance to it... The big question for 'rock is/isn't dead' debate is the Greta Van Fleet question. Let's skip over Josh's appalling re-interpretation of hippy fashion; the big issue is that (despite now getting fed up of the consequences and rowing back a bit) they are the first band that has shamelessly established itself as a pure Led Zeppelin pastiche. Yes, back in the 70s lots of bands owed a huge chunk of their sound to LZ, but they were all overtly try hard not to be Zeppelin. GVF have (had) no shame having all the appearance of a tribute band playing the tracks that fell on the cutting room floor. What this means raises some interesting issues: Just what are tribute, pastiche, imitation and inspiration? You could argue that what GVF do to LZ is more original than what SRV did to JH... Does rock music have to innovate to be valid? Are we old farts right to get upset because a new generation are cl;aiming our heritage and serving it up again in their context? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Al Krow said: You only have to look at sold out stadiums Rock doesn't live in stadiums, it lives in sweaty back-rooms with sticky floors. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Al Krow said: I play in three covers bands and it's much much easier to get paid bookings than for a lot of up and coming original bands here in London who can often play to empty venues for little or no money. I love the music we're playing as, it would seem, so do our audiences. But we're clearly not saying anything new whatsoever! Sadly true. I'm rapidly realising that the audience for unsigned (unsignable) originals bands is not what it was in the 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest subaudio Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 I'd strongly recommend listening to Freak Zone on 6 music to get re energised on rock music, or indeed any of 6musics late night shows, its the one and only thing the beeb does well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 16 hours ago, operative451 said: ... Let's face it though, if your gran liked it, its probably not rebellious any more... ... You never met my gran then? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: Sadly true. I'm rapidly realising that the audience for unsigned (unsignable) originals bands is not what it was in the 90s. Yet if you are a DJ, you can get gigs anywhere...... it is a phase. My 90’s tributes turn down gigs, my originals band does 5 real gigs per year. Why? Because the audience wants instant satisfaction and want to sing along to songs they already know. It will get better as there will come a time when people appreciate art more than they do now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 3 hours ago, subaudio said: The fatal flaw in the rock is dead trope spewed by washed up b listers is that those people only swim in populist waters where everything is dull, corporate and homogonised. There has always and will always be serious artists pushing at the boundries from all directions who have rock roots, bands like Black Midi and Tera Melos and a vast host of others. Rock isn't dead, the soul of populism is dead, but it always was. I blame Simon (effing) Cowell and the brainwashed British public who sit on their backsides and lap up whatever garbage he dishes up to them on a Saturday night. The demise of live music is in direct relation to the rise in Saturday night 'talent' shows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted May 25, 2019 Author Share Posted May 25, 2019 35 minutes ago, Japhet said: I blame Simon (effing) Cowell and the brainwashed British public who sit on their backsides and lap up whatever garbage he dishes up to them on a Saturday night. The demise of live music is in direct relation to the rise in Saturday night 'talent' shows. Not Spotify then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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