Delamitri79 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Hey folks. Ok I want to try and settle something between myself and the drummer. The bass solo in call me al is something that I've struggled with for a long time but lately I feel like I'm nailing it pretty well. This is how I'm counting it. 1+2+3+4+1+2+3+4 with the solo starting just after the 1 beat. The verse comes back in then on the 1 of bar 3 if ya get me. I've listened to it hundreds of times and played it correctly over and over again and I feel I have it right. The problem is the drummer doesn't come back for the verse on the same beat as me. He comes in on the one after and insists I'm doing something wrong. Can someone please count this out for me or write it out musically or whatever way that I can count it properly Many Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blisters on my fingers Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 You know the second part of the solo is the first part reversed by studio trickery ? Not that helps with your question 😃 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, blisters on my fingers said: You know the second part of the solo is the first part reversed by studio trickery ? Not that helps with your question 😃 Cheers yeah I know about the reverse stuff alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 There’s a reversed snare drum too. Makes for a little weird timing. On the Graceland in Africa Concert version BK plays the backward and forward bits, might be worth a watch. i have the dvd somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I was scratching my walnut when i read the thread title. Who the hell is al solo and why would anyone call ya that .. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blisters on my fingers Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just listened a few times and you are spot on - two bar break and then everything comes back on the beat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, fleabag said: I was scratching my walnut when i read the thread title. Who the hell is al solo and why would anyone call ya that .. Hans solo's half brother 😂 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, blisters on my fingers said: Just listened a few times and you are spot on - two bar break and then everything comes back on the beat. Nice one mate. So you'd count it the same way as me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blisters on my fingers Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Yeah I would, can't see why your drummer is having a problem with it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, blisters on my fingers said: Yeah I would, can't see why your drummer is having a problem with it ! I dunno man but I was doubting myself then, ya know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blisters on my fingers Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Yeah I know that feeling only too well (not with our drummer I hasten to add, it's usually the 6 stringers counting with their five fingers that fecks it up) 😖 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrane Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Delamitri79 said: Hans solo's half brother 😂 Napoleon's UNCLE, surely? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 14 hours ago, AndyTravis said: There’s a reversed snare drum too. Makes for a little weird timing. On the Graceland in Africa Concert version BK plays the backward and forward bits, might be worth a watch. i have the dvd somewhere Saw Paul Simon at the NEC on the Gracelands tour. BK played the solo bit twice, it got so much applause the first time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 When we first decided to do this, years ago, I was scratching my head a lot, and decided to Google some live versions. Blimey. And not in a good way. 😕 I felt a lot better about myself after that - especially a couple of the Paul Simon live ones (without BK, obv...) 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 hours ago, MrCrane said: Napoleon's UNCLE, surely? Funny but it shows your age... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblin Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 If you break your 1+2+3+4+ up again (think half and half again), so it's 1ee +a 2ee +a 3ee +a 4ee +a, your first note comes on the ee of the 1, the fill goes over two bars, and then everything comes back in on the nose of the 1 third bar. Never failed me or tripped a drummer up yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrane Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, TheGreek said: Funny but it shows your age... I gave up worrying about that a long time ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthurhenry Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, goblin said: If you break your 1+2+3+4+ up again (think half and half again), so it's 1ee +a 2ee +a 3ee +a 4ee +a, your first note comes on the ee of the 1, the fill goes over two bars, and then everything comes back in on the nose of the 1 third bar. Never failed me or tripped a drummer up yet Correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, goblin said: If you break your 1+2+3+4+ up again (think half and half again), so it's 1ee +a 2ee +a 3ee +a 4ee +a, your first note comes on the ee of the 1, the fill goes over two bars, and then everything comes back in on the nose of the 1 third bar. Never failed me or tripped a drummer up yet Absolutely mate. On the nose of the 1 third bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer.b Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 You're right , why not suggest practicing it together with a metronome running? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, spencer.b said: You're right , why not suggest practicing it together with a metronome running? We're gonna run through it on Friday night. I said it to him and he maintains that I'm playing it wrong and my timing of it is off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) Not my transcription below, but worth showing the Drummer. It sounds like he is counting the first note of the Bass solo as one, when in fact, it starts on the upbeat of one. I have had the misfortune of depping in a band when the runaway train was doing something similar by the sound of your story. The guy who transcribed the below chart has written up a little brief on how to nail it accurately. Edited June 19, 2019 by lowdown 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, lowdown said: Not my transcription below, but worth showing the Drummer. It sounds like he is counting the first note of the Bass solo as one, when in fact, it starts on the upbeat of one. I have had the misfortune of depping in a band when the runaway train was doing something similar by the sound of your story. The guy who transcribed the below chart has written up a little brief on how to nail it accurately. Very interesting alright. I've seen this before and I think he's pretty close but not quite there. There is no open notes in the actual riff. They're ghost notes. The timing seems right though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heathy Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 I think the open notes are there (apart from the open E). I thought they were ghost notes until I slowed the track down to 50% on You Tube. I really like the cross string approach - so thanks for posting this. Always reassuring to me that Paul Simon's bass player messes it up live. I think it's important to remain loyal to that! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delamitri79 Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Heathy said: I think the open notes are there (apart from the open E). I thought they were ghost notes until I slowed the track down to 50% on You Tube. I really like the cross string approach - so thanks for posting this. Always reassuring to me that Paul Simon's bass player messes it up live. I think it's important to remain loyal to that! Are ya sure the open notes are there? I'll have to slow her down again😂. I like the open note approach. It does seem a little easier playing them on the 1st half descending line but it's very tricky to keep the strings quiet if you include them in the 2nd half ascending line. I feel a compromise comin on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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