99ster Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Just installed the Pro Tools LE 8 upgrade - quick whizz through.... WOW. What a difference. A zillion times better + LOADS of new plugins & goodies + 48 tracks (just started to hit the 32 track limit on some songs we're adding overdubs to - so very timely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Its nice isn't it. Lots of effort has been piled into the basic opperation and interface of it whilst sticking to the Pro Tools functionality. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberBass Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 I have protools LE 7.3 with my 003 Rack, can it be upgraded to protools 8? or do I need to start from scatch with protools 8? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ster Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='CyberBass' post='357795' date='Dec 18 2008, 12:23 PM']I have protools LE 7.3 with my 003 Rack, can it be upgraded to protools 8? or do I need to start from scatch with protools 8?[/quote] Yes - you can just upgrade. That's what I did. It just replaces your version 7 install with version 8. All the stuff you've recorded opens as protools 8 sessions - with everything saved & intact just as you had it in version 7 - but with all the new goodness... If you bought you 003 rack before October of this year it's a free upgrade - if not it is about £95. Which actually makes buying an MBox Micro (£150) - a bargain as you would get prootools 8 with this for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ster Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 [quote name='slaphappygarry' post='357676' date='Dec 18 2008, 11:10 AM']Its nice isn't it. Lots of effort has been piled into the basic opperation and interface of it whilst sticking to the Pro Tools functionality. G[/quote] Yes - I'm VERY happy with it. Was well worth the upgrade price - feels like a huge amount of work has been put into it - not to mention all the new toys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 ahh, with reviews like that I'll have to upgrade now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBalls Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 On my Mac do i need to upgrade the operating system to OSX 5 Leopard to get Pro tools 8 working? Im currently running OSX Tiger 4.11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99ster Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 [quote name='BassBalls' post='358642' date='Dec 19 2008, 11:13 AM']On my Mac do i need to upgrade the operating system to OSX 5 Leopard to get Pro tools 8 working? Im currently running OSX Tiger 4.11.[/quote] I would think so - I was already running 10.5. If you go to the Digidesign site there'll be info on what OS is required... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 you do it wont run on 10.4 G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~tl Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Waiting for my upgrade e-mail from Digidesign – bought the 7.4 upgrade a few months ago and it came with a free upgrade to 8 when it was released. It looks pretty great, I can't wait to have a play! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennifer Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Only 48 tracks? Any you pay how much for that? If the upgrade alone is £100 thats a bit mental, rather restricting really isnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 48 stereo tracks. Audio tracks at that. Instruments are on top of this. Besides, 48 tracks is a LOT of tracks. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennifer Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 With Midi instruments on top, thats a bit better, but still, I wouldn't find 48 particularly spacious! Especially if people use larger interfaces like the 003 with Protools LE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimskidog Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 [quote name='bennifer' post='359260' date='Dec 19 2008, 11:05 PM']... I wouldn't find 48 particularly spacious! Especially if people use larger interfaces like the 003 with Protools LE![/quote] What does the size of the interface have to do with the price of fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 [quote name='Rimskidog' post='359785' date='Dec 20 2008, 06:48 PM']What does the size of the interface have to do with the price of fish?[/quote] Just thinking the same... Oh well... Garry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennifer Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Not sure if I understand the price of fish thing?! Only thing I can take from it is that you don't think the interface defines how many tracks you'd need in a sequencer - well of course it does, if you've invested lots of cash in an 003 then you can be tracking 24 ins at once, thus 48 suddenly gets very limited once you're recording drums, etc. Not trying to tell you what to like or anything, just was shocked at a lowly 48 audio track count on such expensive equipment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 [quote name='bennifer' post='361244' date='Dec 22 2008, 05:50 PM']...if you've invested lots of cash in an 003 then you can be tracking 24 ins at once, thus 48 suddenly gets very limited once you're recording drums, etc...[/quote] If you're tracking 24ins at once, what are you doing? Live orchestral stuff? (no sarcasm meant, would just be interesting to know) - ProTools LE is meant for the keen amateur. A keen amateur will rarely need more than 48 tracks, if ever, and the 48 tracks are 48 live tracks playing back simultaneously - you can have more than 48 tracks in one session but they won't be able to all play back at the same time but you will be able to bounce down the whole session. If you're regularly exceeding 48 tracks then the LE version isn't for you, but the price increase in the HD hardware is excessive. You can get amazing results using 4 quality mics on a drum kit IME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennifer Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 24 at once? Tracking a band, then layering up overdubs of guitar, bass, vocals etc on top. My universities local studio uses an 003 to bring inputs in from a spirit 24 desk. In no way can I see them needing to upgrade to an HD system in hardware terms, but that track count is pretty low seeing its just a software enforced limitation. I just produced a folk-rock CD full of singer songwriters in the local area and many of the tracks used upto 60 tracks once all additional instruments and overdubs were finished. In no way am I a high earning professional - i'm just a guy who likes producing music vocationally, it was a charity Cd! Whatever works for you, and really i'm not trying to be an annoying pest, just very shocked at how low that track count is, given how far the amateur is taking music production now, it sounded shockingly low, thats all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 (edited) I have done all sorts of projects from acoustic / orchestral / big band / rock and pop across lots of jobs ranging from live recording and location work to major production albums and have never found the 48 tracks limiting (i had the upgrade on the last LE). I mean, a generous drum kit (if I am going ALL OUT) is the following: Kick - 3 (in, out and speaker) Snare - 2 (Top and bottom) Toms - 3 Hats - 1 OH's - 3 Room - 2 Thats 14 tracks! You could even take trigger tracks from the kick/snare and toms and still sit comfortably under 20. 48 tracks is not a limitation. The beatles managed on 4! Peter Gabriels SO was done on 2x24 machines and then all bounced to one 24. Bohemian Rhapsody was 24 for the band and 24 for vocals and all bounced to one for the mix down. None of these sound 'limited' to me. G Edited December 22, 2008 by slaphappygarry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimskidog Posted December 25, 2008 Share Posted December 25, 2008 [quote name='bennifer' post='361244' date='Dec 22 2008, 05:50 PM']Not sure if I understand the price of fish thing?![/quote] Like your earlier post, it makes little sense. [quote name='bennifer' post='361244' date='Dec 22 2008, 05:50 PM']Only thing I can take from it is that you don't think the interface defines how many tracks you'd need in a sequencer[/quote] That's right. I have 48 i/o. Does that mean I need hundreds of tracks? (for the avoidance of doubt, no.) [quote name='bennifer' post='361244' date='Dec 22 2008, 05:50 PM']if you've invested lots of cash in an 003 then you can be tracking 24 ins at once,[/quote] Two things here. If you have an 003 you haven't invested loads of cash. It's at the decent end of the consuer scale but it's no pro item. Wrong again. the 003 has only 18 available ins. 8 analogue, 8 by adat and 8 by spdif. [quote name='bennifer' post='361244' date='Dec 22 2008, 05:50 PM']48 suddenly gets very limited once you're recording drums, etc. Not trying to tell you what to like or anything, just was shocked at a lowly 48 audio track count on such expensive equipment! [snip] 24 at once? Tracking a band, then layering up overdubs of guitar, bass, vocals etc on top[/quote] If you are making good decisions and committing to your vision when tracking 48 audio tracks is not [i]very[/i] limited (unless you are failing to make decisions). For the avoidance of doubt the 48 is only audio tracks, not midi, instrument or aux channels. I have an HD3 rig in my mix room and an HD1 in my edit room and I rarely go over 60 audio tracks. Most will not exceed 48. Biggest I ever worked on was a bit over a hundred and that was tracked elsewhere (and most of them didnt make it to the mix as they were unnecessary/a failure by the tracking engineer to make a decision). Bottom line, if you can't make it sound like a record with 48 tracks, it ain't the gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 [quote]Bottom line, if you can't make it sound like a record with 48 tracks, it ain't the gear.[/quote] Amen [quote]8 analogue, 8 by adat and 8 by spdif.[/quote] 8, 8 and 2 you do mean? G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimskidog Posted December 27, 2008 Share Posted December 27, 2008 [quote name='slaphappygarry' post='364118' date='Dec 27 2008, 12:09 PM']Amen 8, 8 and 2 you do mean? G[/quote] Doh! Yes. Maths was never my strong point. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshorepunk Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I just spent some money! Used Digi 002, with pro tools 6.3 Used dual 1.8ghz G5, the price of these shocked me, lower spec machines than the one I found are hitting £500!! This G5 had 3.5ghz RAM, two HD's, the OS is on a 350 gig HD, the second drive is 80 gig. Will probably replace the second HD with something bigger. Next step is to get Leopard on the Mac, the Pro tools 8 LE Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshorepunk Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 So I just ordered me a leopard, LE 8 next, any G5 users on here who can help me with a few questions, cos all this mac stuff is still a bit foreign! T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappygarry Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Not on a G5 but am on a Mac Pro with PTLE 8 and Leopard. Fire away. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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