FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 That's a good question, and one I can't currently answer. I think the Twin 'projects' better than the Compact, or it might be linked to the height of the driver(s). Also the impedance difference means I can drive the amp a bit harder but have a lower output. Until the start of this year I had both SC and ST, and used the Twin with my ABM 600 and the Compact with my Rootmaster 800. I had managed to convince myself that the the SC rig was for pub gigs and the ST for the bigger venues - but then I quit the pub bands and now only play music venues and festivals. I think I am likely to buy another SC and keep the ST as well - I don't think I've quite got the hang of this cutting back idea!! I've been offered an SC and am very likely to buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, FinnDave said: That's a good question, and one I can't currently answer. I think the Twin 'projects' better than the Compact, or it might be linked to the height of the driver(s). Also the impedance difference means I can drive the amp a bit harder but have a lower output. Until the start of this year I had both SC and ST, and used the Twin with my ABM 600 and the Compact with my Rootmaster 800. I had managed to convince myself that the the SC rig was for pub gigs and the ST for the bigger venues - but then I quit the pub bands and now only play music venues and festivals. I think I am likely to buy another SC and keep the ST as well - I don't think I've quite got the hang of this cutting back idea!! I've been offered an SC and am very likely to buy it. Now we are talking - unless you absolutely have to, why cut back, just enjoy it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 That's got to be the answer - cut back by buying more!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 There’s the spirit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 More is less!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, FinnDave said: More is less!! Yup: more bass player's grin, less space at home for 95% of the time and smaller bank balance. But also less grumble from your back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, FinnDave said: That's a good question, and one I can't currently answer. I think the Twin 'projects' better than the Compact, or it might be linked to the height of the driver(s). Also the impedance difference means I can drive the amp a bit harder but have a lower output. Until the start of this year I had both SC and ST, and used the Twin with my ABM 600 and the Compact with my Rootmaster 800. I had managed to convince myself that the the SC rig was for pub gigs and the ST for the bigger venues - but then I quit the pub bands and now only play music venues and festivals. I think I am likely to buy another SC and keep the ST as well - I don't think I've quite got the hang of this cutting back idea!! I've been offered an SC and am very likely to buy it. Or, to save space, sell your ST and buy a SC and a SM. If you don't fancy the SM (I love mine. It's such a useful cab in so many ways.) then a pair of SC will take up less space. I know, I'm not helping at all. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 I was sensible, I'd have bought the SC originally, and then maybe considered adding a second later, but instead I bought an ST when they first came out and have been loathe to sell it even though it is more speaker than I ever need. I'll buy the SC I've been offered and keep the ST until the dust is so thick I'll forget it's there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 (edited) Just a thought - but why not dispense with the ST, not bother getting the SC and just get a BB2 as a one stop shop that will cater for all your needs? Or if you want something outstanding, a Fearless F112 which, as much as I love my SC for its lightness and general capability, just deals with the whole sonic spectrum (lows, mids and highs) with more authority than either the SC or even the BB2. It is IMO the best 1x12 cab I've ever come across - had a fellow BCer over last night @dave_bass5 buying a pedal back off me and I suspect he's a convert to the Fearless F112 too Edited August 7, 2019 by Al Krow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 That's a good idea, Al, but as I am always DI'd through the PA, I don't need a huge sound from my backline as that just antagonises the sound crew. It's just there for me and the drummers to hear, the rest of the band gets enough through the monitors. I know that in theory we could dispense with the backline completely, but that's not something we want to do just yet (except the keyboard player, he just goes straight into the PA and has a monitor next to him - which on small stages is also my monitor - no backline and I wouldn't hear myself at all!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Fair enough, Dave. Fyi - the F112 isn't much bigger than the SC and has a wedge corner to enable it to be used as a monitor: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share Posted August 7, 2019 I think I'll stick with regular shaped cabs for now - if I have one that looks like that, the rest of the band will think I have two monitors and there will be monitor war going one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 The more I think about it and the more you post Dave, I think a single Super Midget would be easily enough for your needs. It'll also easily handle pub gigs without PA should you go back to that. Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Al Krow said: Just a thought - but why not dispense with the ST, not bother getting the SC and just get a BB2 as a one stop shop that will cater for all your needs? Or if you want something outstanding, a Fearless F112 which, as much as I love my SC for its lightness and general capability, just deals with the whole sonic spectrum (lows, mids and highs) with more authority than either the SC or even the BB2. It is IMO the best 1x12 cab I've ever come across - had a fellow BCer over last night @dave_bass5 buying a pedal back off me and I suspect he's a convert to the Fearless F112 too Oh yes, it was very impressive. Knocks the socks of the BB2 i had as far as playing at home. Cant comment on a gig situation of course, at least not until i get mine 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 I have a Super Twin which I use with a Walkabout for loud backline gigs, and at the other extreme I use inears with no backline at all, but for smaller acoustic trio gigs when we take minimal PA (meaning I won't be going through it), I've recently bought a Rumble 100, and the results have been pretty damn good. It's crazy light and markedly smaller than my ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintspiller Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 50w Sound City head into Kustom 210. I had been using a Hartke 410 but that was just too heavy to hump upstairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: Oh yes, it was very impressive. Knocks the socks of the BB2 i had as far as playing at home. Cant comment on a gig situation of course, at least not until i get mine 🙂 Would be interesting to hear if the hyperbole is true - at the current volume ratings my PJB Cub is king Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, Cuzzie said: Would be interesting to hear if the hyperbole is true - at the current volume ratings my PJB Cub is king I should add my comment above was just based on low volume home playing. Not side by side, just that the F112 sounded more to my liking, and that's what counts 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: I should add my comment above was just based on low volume home playing. Not side by side, just that the F112 sounded more to my liking, and that's what counts 🙂 We weren't being that quiet in the bass-ment last night Dave 😁 Bear in mind that the Mesa M6 is pretty non-linear in its response i.e. it gets loud pretty quickly. We had the gain and master at between 3 and 4 out of 10 and I'd likely not go that much louder with a full band, maybe to typically 5 / 10 (or poss 6 if I was really pushing it). After Sat's gig when the SC was feeling a little bit 'scratchy' at higher volumes in a large venue, the next large venue we do I defo need to give the F112 an outing to see how it compares. My gut instinct is that it will do very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 21 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: I should add my comment above was just based on low volume home playing. Not side by side, just that the F112 sounded more to my liking, and that's what counts 🙂 That’s exactly what I took it for 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Cuzzie said: That’s exactly what I took it for Just preparing for any backlash lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 16 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: Just preparing for any backlash lol. Nah, none from me, you’re a good lad and already admitted your folly of letting the Sonic Spark go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cuzzie said: Nah, none from me, you’re a good lad and already admitted your folly of letting the Sonic Spark go.... Haha, i didnt mean you, you're one of the good guys (even if you did prise that SS from my clutched hands lol) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, dave_bass5 said: Haha, i didnt mean you, you're one of the good guys (even if you did prise that SS from my clutched hands lol) You are safe then, for now.....//🤨😡🤬😈 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb90 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Depends on company. Ex. Handbox (handmade gear from Poland) have both combos and head+cab solutions on the same pro level. Check them out! I have their R400 head and 2x12 cab and this is by far the best gear I ever had. And I have almost anything from Ampeg, GK, Markbass, Ashdown, etc. http://www.handbox.pl/R-400-MINI-HEAD-p142.html http://www.handbox.pl/WB-100-ALL-TUBE-p150.html http://www.handbox.pl/Fortec-412-p10.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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