dandini Posted December 23, 2008 Posted December 23, 2008 Ive got a micro korg and a yamaha piano which we (teh band) are toying with using live, howvere im the only one who an play the half decently. What we have thought about doing is recording teh bits we want and triggering them using a sampler or similar means... but ideally dont wanna spend mega money to do this. What are our best options ladies and gents? We are not planning on running a laptop at the moment for a few reasons so want whatever medium we use to actually just turn up, play when triggred and stop when triggered, ideally by foot control. Cheers Dan Quote
M4L666 Posted December 23, 2008 Posted December 23, 2008 [quote name='dandini' post='362228' date='Dec 23 2008, 06:38 PM']Ive got a micro korg and a yamaha piano which we (teh band) are toying with using live, howvere im the only one who an play the half decently. What we have thought about doing is recording teh bits we want and triggering them using a sampler or similar means... but ideally dont wanna spend mega money to do this. What are our best options ladies and gents? We are not planning on running a laptop at the moment for a few reasons so want whatever medium we use to actually just turn up, play when triggred and stop when triggered, ideally by foot control. Cheers Dan[/quote] I would go for MIDI of some description if I was you. Or a keyboard player, who could work the keyboards into your other songs. Quote
dandini Posted December 23, 2008 Author Posted December 23, 2008 We had a keyboard player who was great but didnt like playing live. I think MIDI is the only way agreed. Quote
Finbar Posted December 23, 2008 Posted December 23, 2008 That Boss loop station that can record a few different loops? Not sure if it can store them to memory though. Quote
DanOwens Posted December 24, 2008 Posted December 24, 2008 If you're using a laptop, Ableton Live would be perfect. You can trigger loops of midi and audio via a midi foot controller, or arrange your structure and just press play. You can also route a click to your drummer and not FOH to keep time. I use it a lot, and it is the shiznit. Dan Quote
dandini Posted December 24, 2008 Author Posted December 24, 2008 [quote name='TheBrokenDoor' post='362466' date='Dec 24 2008, 12:44 AM']If you're using a laptop, Ableton Live would be perfect. You can trigger loops of midi and audio via a midi foot controller, or arrange your structure and just press play. You can also route a click to your drummer and not FOH to keep time. I use it a lot, and it is the shiznit. Dan[/quote] Thats a potential long term option. Really want something just out of teh box... but i guess that woudl be expensive. Quote
dandini Posted January 3, 2009 Author Posted January 3, 2009 [quote name='dandini' post='362563' date='Dec 24 2008, 09:31 AM']Thats a potential long term option. Really want something just out of teh box... but i guess that woudl be expensive.[/quote] Anyone ever use a Digitech Jam man? Quote
EBS_freak Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 (edited) [quote name='dandini' post='369084' date='Jan 3 2009, 02:20 AM']Anyone ever use a Digitech Jam man?[/quote] Yup. Digitech Jam Man would do it. I've done it. Remember that you have a minium sample length of 4 seconds though (so if you are planning to loop something less than 4 seconds, you'll need to edit it on your computer to make it a longer loop (e.g. two loops of the same sample so that it is at least 4 seconds) then upload it to the jamman - if this makes sense)... you'll need the external pedal to change through different loops (e.g. different samples as each one has to be stored on a seperate loop) Edited January 3, 2009 by EBS_freak Quote
dr.funk Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 [quote name='TheBrokenDoor' post='362466' date='Dec 24 2008, 12:44 AM']If you're using a laptop, Ableton Live would be perfect. You can trigger loops of midi and audio via a midi foot controller, or arrange your structure and just press play. You can also route a click to your drummer and not FOH to keep time. I use it a lot, and it is the shiznit. Dan[/quote] Agreed. If you are only triggering midi you don't need a particularly powerful machine or an expensive interface. You can get a midi usb cable for about £5. Infact you could probably get away with using the demo version (free) if you knew someone with either the full or lite version who could load the clips for you. Quote
cheddatom Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 How will you make sure your pre-recorded samples are in time with the live playing? Quote
DanOwens Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 With Ableton, I route a click to the drummer but not FOH. He's in time, so we're in time. Dan Quote
cheddatom Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 Well I was going to suggest just making a CD with a click track on one side and the samples on the other. The thing is, if you came in after 5 instead of 4 beats, or anything like that, it would totally mess it up..........(because he says he wants to do it without a laptop). Quote
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2009 Posted January 5, 2009 [quote name='cheddatom' post='371114' date='Jan 5 2009, 04:55 PM']Well I was going to suggest just making a CD with a click track on one side and the samples on the other. The thing is, if you came in after 5 instead of 4 beats, or anything like that, it would totally mess it up..........(because he says he wants to do it without a laptop).[/quote] You can tap tempo on the jamman (just remember to get your sample in sync) There is also somewhere on the net where it explains how to alter the ini files that are stored with the loop on the jamman to get the no of samples in time with the tempo. You can do it either way. Quote
joegarcia Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I'd definitely go for the Jamman personally. It's really easy to get loops and samples on via USB, its robust and good quality. Not too expensive either. You don't necessarily need the external foot controller either unless you need to change patches with your feet during a song or something. However, if you want to send the drummer a synched click then it may not be the best option as it is mono only. Quote
tonybassplayer Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 Currently building a nice eclectic setlist with two other guys and we are looking to add a few extra sounds to the mix. I have an Apple powerbook with garage band and quite happy to use this to play some occasional sounds but how can I trigger them with my feet whilst playing bass !! Tony Quote
dandini Posted January 6, 2009 Author Posted January 6, 2009 I think my logic with the jam man will work fine for my band. It will be used for intros and stuff e.g. Spoken word samples so timing isnt an issue. Ill sell my Headrush and buy one of these i think. Cheers for all teh advice Quote
DanOwens Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 To trigger changes with your feet, I have used Ableton Live on a MacBook, with a Behringer FCB sending MIDI CC changes to the laptop to trigger new sections and samples. My god I love technology!! Dan Quote
dr.funk Posted January 6, 2009 Posted January 6, 2009 I have a slightly cheaper version of a midi controller which is a normal computer keyboard with most of the keys removed and bottle tops stuck onto the keys left to make a larger target for you foot. Works well! Quote
DanOwens Posted January 7, 2009 Posted January 7, 2009 [quote]I have a slightly cheaper version of a midi controller which is a normal computer keyboard with most of the keys removed and bottle tops stuck onto the keys left to make a larger target for you foot. Works well![/quote] Nice idea!!! With Ableton, you'd be routing the midi signals to do the same thing as the keyboard. Dan Quote
Toasted Posted January 13, 2009 Posted January 13, 2009 I'd definitely use the Jamman - it's jsut setup the right way to do this, be easy to power, fit in the chain etc. Quote
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