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should bands carry on when there's only one original member?

PaulWarning

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Twigman Experienced

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:08, Billy Apple said:

Who?

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Really?

you have to ask?

There are hundreds of them.

I played a festival in the summer, in Leipzig, with over 200 bands on and not one of them has ever been in the charts, although New Model Army and Tangerine Dream might've been, I'm not sure. And that's just one festival.

 

On the circuit we tour in Europe we come across bands that have never charted everywhere we go: The likes of Balaam and the Angel and Soft Kill for example.

Billy Apple Mentor

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:23, Twigman said:

Really?

you have to ask?

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Well, that sounds like a ploy to try and make me look untutored while you cover up the the validity of your statement.

So yes, really I have to ask because If your going to say it, then back it up with some fact. NMA and Tangerine Dream are no strangers to the charts.

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:34, Twigman said:

That's as may be but there were over 200 bands at the festival. All touring. I highlighted them as exceptions.

 

 

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Well, a quick google shows me Balaam and the Angel have nudged the charts 8 times with 1 album and 7 singles.

OK, festivals have always had unknown/little known bands, but usually on the back of something better known.

And especially local / specialist music ones.

Twigman Experienced

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:40, Billy Apple said:

Well, a quick google shows me Balaam and the Angel have nudged the charts 8 times with 1 album and 7 singles.

OK, festivals have always had unknown/little known bands, but usually on the back of something better known.

And especially local / specialist music ones.

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We've had 9 albums out and have never been in the charts - the lower echelons of the indie charts don't count really , do they?.

We're still touring.

Lozz196 Grand Master

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Only have to look at the Rebellion Festival, stacks of bands, some of whom released stuff years back and charted, others who have been going 10+ years, play all over the world, including stadium gigs, released material that would never go near the charts but their vids get hundreds of thousands of views on YouTube.

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Billy Apple Mentor

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:43, Twigman said:

We've had 9 albums out and have never been in the charts - the lower echelons of the indie charts don't count really , do they?.

We're still touring.

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Well, IMO the gambit of this thread is about paying money to see a band that may not be that band anymore and that this notion is based on whether the line up that had the hit(s) is still intact.

However, I don't doubt that you have had a productive time, however bands with a prolific output and a live following that has not converted to commercial success might be a separate topic.

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Twigman Experienced

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  On 25/09/2019 at 11:53, Billy Apple said:

Well, IMO the gambit of this thread is about paying money to see a band that may not be that band anymore and that this notion is based on whether the line up that had the hit(s) is still intact.

However, I don't doubt that you have had a productive time, however bands with a prolific output and a live following that has not converted to commercial success might be a separate topic.

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But fans still have their favourite tunes irrespective of chart success.

A band doesn't need chart success to have fans who are willing to pay to see them play.

We play tunes from the entire back catalogue. Having a 'big hit' isn't really relevant.

We are always compared to the 'original lineup' despite that lineup only putting out a small proportion of the catalogue.

I know that when we bring on former members of the band our fans feel privileged to experience that. 

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  On 25/09/2019 at 15:31, Bluewine said:

Ive read that Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons say that KISS will continue even when they're not around anymore.

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Their last album was 2012, 7 years ago. That’s still relatively recent and recent enough for them to tour with the lineup that created that album.

I’m not sure what the cut off would be for me. 

If we are talking about bands, the band I was a founder member of in 1996 is still playing. The only member remaining is the drummer. Technically, over the last 23 years he has only ever played in ‘one’ band. Personally I’d find that quite limiting, I like to have a complete change every now and again. It was actually a pretty good release and revelation when I left that band as I was beginning to think I wasn’t a very good bass player. 

 

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tauzero Grand Master

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  On 24/09/2019 at 21:30, PaulWarning said:

I've long been of the opinion that he's had hair transplants, along with Mick Jagger and some others, it is very unusual  for anybody to have that much hair well into their 70's.

If I was in the public eye with that much money it's exactly what I would do

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He was being interviewed on TV a couple of days ago - he looked like they'd got him from Madame Tussauds.

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  On 26/09/2019 at 06:15, wateroftyne said:

OK - on second listen, I’ll concede that it’s maybe an unsympathetic mix. In any event, it made me switch it off fairly quick, and I love the tune.

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Yeah, I think they're just mixed a bit too "raw" and upfront - if you listen to the other parts, the lead guitar sounds really woolly as well. I think a lot of bands unfortunately come a-cropper with radio sound techs who are more used to mixing for spoken voices and properly mastered recordings!

Combed20 Proficient

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Can't believe no one has mentioned Lemmy and Motorhead! Lemmy was the only original left when they released their classic albums Overkill, Bomber, Ace of Spades and No Sleep till Hammersmith.  Even when Phil Taylor and Fast Eddie left the group I don't think anyone begrudged Lemmy carrying on with the name. He WAS Motorhead. 

12stringbassist Mentor

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Cheap Trick, by the way, parted with their original drummer Bun E Carlos amidst some shouting and bitter acrimony and legal battles. He remains a business partner and still gets a fee from every show the band do, despite not having lifted a stick with them for some years.

For me personally, I think it has improved the band. Out with the shorter greatest hits type sets and in with deep cuts and much longer shows.

Tom Petersson (optional number of S's) also had a long break from the band (band with controlling ex-wife), to be replaced by Pete Comita then John Brant - both excellent players, but Tom was THE ONE and his return was overdue.

Dankology Mentor

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It was "bongos" rather than washboard...

The Fall were an interesting case though. Much like Beefheart and the Magic Band, the one individual really defined the band beyond any other member and yet there are still line-ups of each band that I would say are very much not The Fall or the Magic Band despite MES or Van Vliet still being present.

(FWIW, I'm referring to the Fall post-2005 or so and the Magic Band around the time of Unconditionally Guaranteed)

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