Bernmeister Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Hi All, Just checked out the Swr website to find that they've just announced their new Golight series of bass cabs. Check the link for more info. [url="http://www.swrsound.com/products//search.php?section=swrsound&cat=golightseries"]http://www.swrsound.com/products//search.p...t=golightseries[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBod Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 About time.....90lb 4x10's aren't fun to work with, even if they sound great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTGAndy Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 It's all just a devious plot to put chiropractors out of business. Now if they would just make a version of the SM-1500 that wasn't built from dark matter I'd be sorted. Pity that the Golights haven't got the chrome grills, the chrome looks great on stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernmeister Posted January 8, 2009 Author Share Posted January 8, 2009 I've got to agree with you there BTGAndy they don't look as classy without the chrome grills. I also wonder how long it'll take before we see these in the uk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Just a random observation / whinge... Why are cab builders so intent to make anonymous black boxes? Surely a little flair won't hurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 [quote name='wateroftyne' post='374480' date='Jan 8 2009, 09:40 PM']Just a random observation / whinge... Why are cab builders so intent to make anonymous black boxes? Surely a little flair won't hurt...[/quote] It's not anonymous black boxes that piss me off. It's anonymous grey carpet covered ones... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 [quote name='wateroftyne' post='374480' date='Jan 8 2009, 09:40 PM']Just a random observation / whinge... Why are cab builders so intent to make anonymous black boxes? Surely a little flair won't hurt...[/quote] Amen to that. EBS Prolines have chrome grills but the Neoline are black. Must weigh less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I'm a bit dubious about a front firing 4x10" with such a high SPL. If its correct them put me down for 2. +1 on the dull black box - my Schroeder 1212L has the blue rhino finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='Delberthot' post='374769' date='Jan 9 2009, 08:47 AM']I'm a bit dubious about a front firing 4x10" with such a high SPL. If its correct them put me down for 2. +1 on the dull black box - my Schroeder 1212L has the blue rhino finish.[/quote] Yeah - I noted the specs on the 1x15 as 102dB -3dB at 45Hz & 15kHz. Besides the fact that giving an SPL at just two frequencies is pretty pointless, I'm highly dubious that it can achieve that kind of volume at 45hz anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcro Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 [quote name='Musky' post='374945' date='Jan 9 2009, 11:48 AM']Yeah - I noted the specs on the 1x15 as 102dB -3dB at 45Hz & 15kHz. Besides the fact that giving an SPL at just two frequencies is pretty pointless, I'm highly dubious that it can achieve that kind of volume at 45hz anyway.[/quote] I think there's some punctuation missing or their trying to confuse. So here is a shorthand version: - It's 102dB at 1w @ 1m. General guide to efficiency. Full stop. (Point of measurement in Hz, not known) The rest is a guide to overall frequency response. It's -3dB down from the nominal output level at the 2 mentioned frequencies. So as a guesstimate it produces 102dB (probably + or - 3dB - again, measurement standard not known) between about 70Hz & 14Khz. It's loud. Balcro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Dont forget there is a relationship between sensitivity and frequency response. The sensitivity is measured by 1watt at 1 metre. This means they stick a mic 1m in front of the cab in a padded cell, and feed it with a generated signal where the frequency is varied. This gives the frequency response and the highest point on the frequency response is given as sensitivity. The frequency response can change with more power so is probably measured for lots of different power inputs and the best results chosen. Or they just make it up. Am I a cynical old bastard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boneless Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thing is, the only way to actually get to know how a cabinet works is to try it in person. It's a shame, really, because by reading the data sheet, if the specs are real, you could get a vague "hint", at least, of how the cab may sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='Boneless' post='375783' date='Jan 9 2009, 11:40 PM']Thing is, the only way to actually get to know how a cabinet works is to try it in person. It's a shame, really, because by reading the data sheet, if the specs are real, you could get a vague "hint", at least, of how the cab may sound.[/quote] Absolutely. But with so much gear being bought from etailers, ebay and this forum it is not always possible to listen first. Thats why going to the local gig circuit (not stadiums) and local music shops are so important for listening to bass gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 SWR have a long history of making up laughable specs so nothing's changed there. Other than that I'm sure they're decent cabs, certainly no worse than their non-neo models. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Musky' post='374945' date='Jan 9 2009, 06:48 AM']Yeah - I noted the specs on the 1x15 as 102dB -3dB at 45Hz & 15kHz. Besides the fact that giving an SPL at just two frequencies is pretty pointless, I'm highly dubious that it can achieve that kind of volume at 45hz anyway.[/quote]It can't. If it's down 3dB at 45 Hz then the average sensitivity will be at best in the 95-97dB range. The 102dB quoted undoubtably is a midrange peak up around 2kHz. Contrary to advertising claims there are no magic drivers or mystical methods by which one company has any advantage over any other company. Edited January 10, 2009 by Bill Fitzmaurice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Jones Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hi-fi speaker reviewers used to have an agreed standard fequency for sensitivity measurements. I think it was 1 kHz, but I could be misremembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 Thats the point. Normally web sites dont specify the frequency, nor often the full citation of 1 watt at 1 metre, they just say sensitivity 100dB; Frequency Response 40k to 20k etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 [quote name='Brother Jones' post='376193' date='Jan 10 2009, 10:06 AM']Hi-fi speaker reviewers used to have an agreed standard fequency for sensitivity measurements. I think it was 1 kHz, but I could be misremembering.[/quote] There are standards, having to do with where the driver is operating in purely pistonic mode, which is roughly from 100-200 Hz as far as MI woofers is concerned. This specifically removes midrange and high-frequency breakup mode peaks from the equation. It is those same peaks that manufacturers like SWR and Eden quote, while Ampeg, for one, is pretty honest. In other words, any manufacturer who makes claims far off from what Ampeg does for the same driver configuration and box size is probably lying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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