Fiorenza2 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I was wondering what sort of options were available so that the rhythm section can hear me better on stage? In recordings the bass sounds great through a PA front of house, but on stage it tends to get lost (especially when the keyboardist has a low frequency patch). Furthermore, the foldbacks I've been using don't really provide the 'thump' that I'm accustomed to. I was thinking a Fender Rumble 100 V3 would be a good option (+ tilt stand), but was also tempted by a used Markbass Minimark 801/602, since I've had very good experience playing through various different Markbass amps, and these are marginally smaller so more convenient. Ideally I'd want something that's loud/thumpy enough to cut through on stage, but also light so I can walk in/out of gigs with it in hand. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Fiorenza2 said: below £300 [...] loud [...] light Sorry, but you're only allowed to pick two out of three... Which is the least important? Edited November 21, 2019 by jrixn1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 It all depends on how loud/thumpy is 'enough' for you...but I use a Rumble 100 in the acoustic (guitar) trio with a drummer, and it's enough when I tilt it back for me to hear myself onstage, although I'm looking to fit an Eminence Beta 12 to give it a little more. It's certainly light and convenient enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiorenza2 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, jrixn1 said: Sorry, but you're only allowed to pick two out of three... Which is the least important? I'd say the price in this case? 😁 44 minutes ago, Muzz said: It all depends on how loud/thumpy is 'enough' for you...but I use a Rumble 100 in the acoustic (guitar) trio with a drummer, and it's enough when I tilt it back for me to hear myself onstage, although I'm looking to fit an Eminence Beta 12 to give it a little more. It's certainly light and convenient enough... Fair, I'd like to stress it's really just for monitoring, so even if it's a bit nasty sounding at higher settings, FoH won't hear it since they'll be getting full on PA. The biggest band I'm in is an 8 piece with a horn section, but I figure if I place it near myself and the drummer at least we'll be able to hear it? Appreciate ideally everyone in the band should hear me loud and clear, but being honest it's not exactly pro-level gigging here... To give an idea of the current situation, if the keyboardist is playing a bass-heavy patch through foldback I basically can't hear myself. If an amp can get me into a situation where I can resolve which notes I'm on then I'd count that as a win. In the past I've used a Markbass Traveller 102P which was more than adequate, but that was a one-off. Edited November 21, 2019 by Fiorenza2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Maybe this is still available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Amplified wedge with tons of mids if you want to hear yourself. Won't be hi-fi sounding, nor accurate to your core sound, but you'll hear what you're playing very easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBod Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I tried out the new Ashdown Studio 12 combo recently. Was impressed with its sound, and it was certainly light..great all rounder, especially if you can DI into the PA. Was going for £299 but wouldn’t be surprised if it could be found for a bit less 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defo Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I use a Hartke HD50 for foldback, does the trick for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Light, loud, £300 ish? You can get a Rumble 500v3 for around that. It's not that small (when compared to say a Markbass CMD121) but it's a one handed lift! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassintheface Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Might not be light, but you'll get a loud and well built trace elliott combo for under £300 that will be awesome - except the weight!! Have you thought about a class D head and single 12" neo cab? - granted - you're not going to get one for under £300. Maybe look for a used Trace ELF head and a Barefaced Midget or something. - more like £500 or so used though. Maybe a TC combo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiorenza2 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Share Posted November 22, 2019 Thanks everyone for your responses! It feels to me that a single 100W amp should be sufficient to make myself audible on stage as long as I tilt it. I actually practice with a pretty lousy 300W amp by Behringer (so probably really much less) and even that's way too loud for a 7 piece with horns (nothing volume-wise is past 12 o'clock), so I imagine 100W is plenty just for on stage monitoring. As some have highlighed, a few different brands have entered the sub £300 lightweight amp market (i.e., Ashdown, Fender, Hartke, etc.) so I'll shop around and pick the one with the tone that works for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
la bam Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I really think 300w minimum as a rough guide. I'd genuinely get an ashdown abm combo for second hand money and put wheels on it. Failing that splash a tiny bit more and a rumble 300 v3. As others have said, you'll be lucky to get loud and light for £300. Sounds to me like your keys player is drowning you out on stage. Work together to find frequencies you can both be heard in. Failing that, roll your bass back and add in mids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Used Rumble should come in under £300. I really don't think 100w will cut it unless your bandmates play very gently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painy Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) One of the TC Bg250 combos would be right on the money. 250w so plenty loud enough, a range of speaker sizes to choose from depending how compact you want it to be, very lightweight, comfortably under budget new but well under half your budget used. Edited November 22, 2019 by Painy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 15 hours ago, Fiorenza2 said: Thanks everyone for your responses! It feels to me that a single 100W amp should be sufficient to make myself audible on stage as long as I tilt it. I actually practice with a pretty lousy 300W amp by Behringer (so probably really much less) and even that's way too loud for a 7 piece with horns (nothing volume-wise is past 12 o'clock), so I imagine 100W is plenty just for on stage monitoring. As some have highlighed, a few different brands have entered the sub £300 lightweight amp market (i.e., Ashdown, Fender, Hartke, etc.) so I'll shop around and pick the one with the tone that works for me. Have you tried the Behringer on stage? Some of their amps are quite good if you take the power ratings with a pinch of salt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollin Thunder Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Peavey max 112. 300 watts, 18kg very loud £280, I bought a rumble 100 and the Peavey to A B them and the rumble went back. Nothing wrong with the Rumble, but the Peavey beat it hands down in every department, the only thing the rumble has over it is a send return, but the newer Peavey has that now. Great sound on its own as well the Peavey but I mainly run it pretty clean with my stomp but not it. Its right price right watts (loud) cannot recommend it enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) I mustard mit I scored, for £50 on FB, a Studiomaster powered monitor / pa top. It's literally all you need. But Stew I hear you cry, can it possibly be loud enough? Well, I gigged with it as backline in a large pub, playing with a 7 piece. So yes. As others have said deep bass isn't helpful on stage especially if the keys are down there too. It's clear mids you'll hear. Edited November 23, 2019 by stewblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Painy said: One of the TC Bg250 combos would be right on the money. 250w so plenty loud enough, a range of speaker sizes to choose from depending how compact you want it to be, very lightweight, comfortably under budget new but well under half your budget used. This, I'm well impressed with mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiorenza2 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Chienmortbb said: Have you tried the Behringer on stage? Some of their amps are quite good if you take the power ratings with a pinch of salt. So honestly I would, since it keeps up well enough in rehearsals (hence my relative confidence in less than 300W of power), but it's a deceptively heavy beasty, and kind of belongs to the practice room. On 22/11/2019 at 22:43, Painy said: One of the TC Bg250 combos would be right on the money. 250w so plenty loud enough, a range of speaker sizes to choose from depending how compact you want it to be, very lightweight, comfortably under budget new but well under half your budget used. 8 hours ago, BreadBin said: This, I'm well impressed with mine. From what I gather one could also go with a TC Electronic BAM200 + BG208? Pricewise going with this Head + Cab seems similar/cheaper (less power though), plus there's an added benefit of being able to shove the head in my gig bag, which makes the load on the hands even lighter. 8 hours ago, stewblack said: As others have said deep bass isn't helpful on stage especially if the keys are down there too. It's clear mids you'll hear. How many watts would you say is needed in this case; 150W? Edited November 23, 2019 by Fiorenza2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Hard to say for sure - a lot of variables - but this is the back of mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 In the same vein as Stewblack, I've recently being toying with one of these. If you're happy with your foh tone and you don't need the eq section of an actual amp then a wedge would be the way to go IME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 (edited) Reading through this I think a PA monitor could be right for you too this would be my pick at £300 https://www.thomann.de/gb/rcf_art_312_a_mk_iv.htm#bewertung Having said that I've used a really old Hartke kickback 10 for this purpose, you have to filter out a little bass with the tone controls but I found it perfectly adequate. Edited November 24, 2019 by Phil Starr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Played 2 consecutive gigs with the Rumble 100 for onstage monitoring with the trio. It was plenty loud enough. 100w is fine for monitoring if you position it well and the band isn't too loud onstage. I was right next to the drummer on a tight stage, tilted it back to point and my head, all good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 Worth maybe also checking out the Promethean 3110. Unbeatable on portability, but perhaps only 6/10 for sound quality. 300W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Theodore Logan, III Posted November 24, 2019 Share Posted November 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Worth maybe also checking out the Promethean 3110. Unbeatable on portability, but perhaps only 6/10 for sound quality. 300W. I second this... Sound ain't bad for what it is, certainly can reach quite a volume and still maintain articulation!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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