Happy Jack Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 Roger also told us that he spends hours at a time here on Basschat, lapping up all the constructive criticism from the industry legends who post here. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! No, he didn't. 2 Quote
lemmywinks Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Silvia Bluejay said: FYI, Roger told us that a Chinese company stole his logo years ago, and while he is fighting to get it back, he can't use it on the headstock of the Chinese line. So the basses currently have just the name of the model and when they are officially released, they will have a special round logo based on the letters RSD (Roger Sadowsky Design). Photos to follow in due course! Not sure I'm getting this, did some company claim the rights to use the logo in China and now Roger can't use his own logo there without permission or something? Does this mean the clones on AliExpress are legit? 😂 Edited January 17, 2020 by lemmywinks Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 17, 2020 Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: Not sure I'm getting this, did some company claim the rights to use the logo in China and now Roger can't use his own logo there without permission or something? Does this mean the clones on AliExpress are legit? 😂 They’ve got better logos 😄 Quote
basexperience Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 On 16/12/2019 at 14:50, w_joe said: As a former Warwick enthusiast and current sadowsky player this is, to me, the worst news ever! I hope they don't use the same trussrods... Did you seriously manage to break a trussrod? I've had 2 warwicks for nearly 20 years and adjusted the rods a fair few times: they never need more than a tiny turn anyway, and seem reliable enough... what did you do?? 1 Quote
Sibob Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) Also bear in mind that that’s the MetroExpress line, the MetroLine asses appear to still have the standard logo: I took this at NAMM yesterday. Si Edited January 18, 2020 by Sibob Quote
Delberthot Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, lemmywinks said: Not sure I'm getting this, did some company claim the rights to use the logo in China and now Roger can't use his own logo there without permission or something? Does this mean the clones on AliExpress are legit? 😂 I read something years ago that you can copyright a name in China even if it exists elsewhere in the world so if someone had copyrighted the Squier name in China before Fender then had the MIC Squiers would have to have been called something else. Edited January 18, 2020 by Delberthot Quote
Geek99 Posted January 18, 2020 Posted January 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Delberthot said: I read something years ago that you can copyright a name in China even if it exists elsewhere in the world so if someone had copyrighted the Squier name in China before Fender then had the MIC Squiers would have to have been called something else. As someone whose Law dissertation was in international intellectual property, I’m not sure that’s true any more and hadn’t been for quite a while (you did say you read it years ago). Since Doha everyone has had to try a bit harder at enforcing rights of IP on their turf. Once Chinese firms found people copying their stuff ... Quote
thodrik Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) Just to add to the thread, Roger Sadowsky wrote a piece on the Sadowsky site to explain the licensing agreement. It is an interesting piece, particularly in terms of explaining the IP/logo issue with the Metro Express basses. It seems that it has been a long term issue but which is likely going to be coming to an end at some point shortly. https://www.sadowsky.com/warwick-gmbh-to-be-exclusive-licensee-for-sadowsky-guitars-ltd-copy/ SadowskyWarwick.final_.pdf Edited January 29, 2020 by thodrik 1 Quote
Passinwind Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) On 17/01/2020 at 07:33, therealting said: Lots of companies show prototypes at NAMM with handwritten labelling and the like. If they sound and feel good enough, then the aesthetic details are sorted out in time to meet shipping deadlines in the summer etc. Yep. I see lots of that every year and many production pieces look substantially different by the time they get to market. Edited January 28, 2020 by Passinwind typo unhappiness 2 Quote
Silvia Bluejay Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, thodrik said: Just to add to the thread, Roger Sadowsky wrote a piece on the Sadowsky site to explain the licensing agreement. It is an interesting piece, particularly in terms of explaining the IP/logo issue with the Metro Express basses. It seems that it has been a long term issue but which is likely going to be coming to and end at some point shortly. https://www.sadowsky.com/warwick-gmbh-to-be-exclusive-licensee-for-sadowsky-guitars-ltd-copy/ SadowskyWarwick.final_.pdf 1.92 MB · 0 downloads That matches what Roger said to us in our chat. And in that document we can see the RSD logo, which wasn't on the basses we saw at NAMM. Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 30 minutes ago, thodrik said: Just to add to the thread, Roger Sadowsky wrote a piece on the Sadowsky site to explain the licensing agreement. It is an interesting piece, particularly in terms of explaining the IP/logo issue with the Metro Express basses. It seems that it has been a long term issue but which is likely going to be coming to and end at some point shortly. https://www.sadowsky.com/warwick-gmbh-to-be-exclusive-licensee-for-sadowsky-guitars-ltd-copy/ SadowskyWarwick.final_.pdf 1.92 MB · 0 downloads Interesting read. Thank you. There's still time to fix that logo... 😄 1 Quote
AndyTravis Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 Metro express can get in the bin. Bet they’ll be lovely but that logo 😔 Quote
therealting Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: Metro express can get in the bin. Bet they’ll be lovely but that logo 😔 Bet the decal makers will earn a few bob from making Japanese-style “Sadowsky MetroExpress” logos for a bit... 1 Quote
AndyTravis Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 If they’re made by Grand Reward/Farida- they will be exemplary basses. I know they picked up the Warwick building licence for a bit, after the rockbasses went on a wobbler...they also did some great bits for peavey grind bxp and zephyr. Quote
Passinwind Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: Interesting read. Thank you. There's still time to fix that logo... 😄 The ones with the duff logo are going to be collector's items, mark my words. 😎 2 Quote
lemmywinks Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Passinwind said: The ones with the duff logo are going to be collector's items, mark my words. 😎 Actual legit "lawsuit" model as well. 1 Quote
Musicman20 Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 All they need to do is use a different font! Quote
wateroftyne Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Musicman20 said: All they need to do is use a different font! Based on the current one, I suspect Comic Sans will be next on their list. Edited January 30, 2020 by wateroftyne 4 Quote
Hoffbass Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 On 28/01/2020 at 20:57, AndyTravis said: Metro express can get in the bin. Bet they’ll be lovely but that logo 😔 Absolutely agree😩It is just too bad to see the downfall of the original MetroExpress. These basses have become a downgraded entry level stuff. It seems to be the same category as the ‘Rockbass made by Warwick’ craps. Quote
Silvia Bluejay Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 Perhaps we should actually try the new Warwick-made lines before slating them? As for Rockbasses, they're pretty damn impressive, even the cheapest ones. If the MetroExpress goes the same way as Rockbasses, Roger has nothing to worry about. 2 Quote
PatrickJ Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Silvia Bluejay said: Perhaps we should actually try the new Warwick-made lines before slating them? As for Rockbasses, they're pretty damn impressive, even the cheapest ones. If the MetroExpress goes the same way as Rockbasses, Roger has nothing to worry about. Agreed, personally I'm really interesting in playing one of these and seeing what they are like. I do agree that the MetroExpress logo is a bit of a let down but I quite like the RSD circle at the end. Any indication as to when they might be available? Edited January 30, 2020 by PJ-Bassist Quote
Silvia Bluejay Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 He didn't mention any dates while we were at NAMM, so we'll be keeping an eye on announcements. 1 Quote
BASSingapore Posted February 13, 2020 Posted February 13, 2020 Well, we’ll, well, You can’t blame Roger for a bit of retirement planning whilst keeping the fun bits. And you can’t blame HPW for tapping into the Fender clone market without compromising the Warwick DNA. Just look what Sire did. Suppose it hurt Rockbass sales. If quality goes pear shaped there is finally a Pre-CBS rival out there (even if Pre-Warwick has a decidedly different ring to it). If not then Sadowsky basses will continue to be available to the masses. I shall wait with undiluted excitement. Quote
PatrickJ Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 There's a new Sadowsky site up for the new range Basses. https://www.sadowskybass.com/ Quote
ClassicVibes Posted March 23, 2020 Posted March 23, 2020 On 21/03/2020 at 19:50, PJ-Bassist said: There's a new Sadowsky site up for the new range Basses. https://www.sadowskybass.com/ So a Sandberg or a 'Warwick' Sadowsky... I'm in the market for a new J so this couldn't have come at a better time. Quote
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