obbm Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I've had a pair of Japanese Metros for a few years and am very happy with them. I can't see them being up for sale any time soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyMontana Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 (edited) The new MetroExpress/Warwick were announced for july, and were finally expected to be in stock this week @Thomann. But now the estimation changed to 5-7 weeks for the 4 strings and 7-9 weeks for the 5 strings. Somehow I think this is not the last delay .... Edited September 27, 2020 by TonyMontana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 (edited) Thread revival. It seems that Warwick have now added Sadowsky instruments to their annual Limited Edition series. https://www.bassgearmag.com/sadowsky-press-release-sadowsky-metroline-masterbuilt-limited-edition-2021/ The basses look really nice, don't get me wrong. However, the price tag of $6,999 for the 4 string 'Masterbuilt' and $7,100 for the 5 string 'Masterbuilt' means that a 'Masterbuilt' Sadowsky by Warwick is about $1,000 more expensive than the current NYC Sadowsky instruments available for sale on the Sadowsky site which were actually built by Roger Sadowsky and his original team. Yes, the Masterbuilt instruments are released in limited numbers and feature some exotic woods, but you could probably provide Sadowsky NYC with a similar spec with a custom order for pretty much the same price, with the added benefit that the bass would actually be made by Roger Sadowsky and that it would be made to your own individual specs. I'm guessing that the Masterbuilt line is designed to cover the demand for high spec custom ordered Sadowskys now that the Sadowsky team in NYC is a lot smaller. I don't doubt the Warwick Masterbuilt quality at all, it is just tough to get my head around the notion that a instrument made under a licence can be considerably more expensive that 'the real thing', so to speak. Edited February 12, 2021 by thodrik 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 WTF? Madness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Ridiculous! This whole Warwick licence debacle has done nothing but tarnish the Sadowsky brand IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Aside from using chrome screws for the bridge and pickups, this is quite delicious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou24d53 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Sadowsky should start up production on a..."Limited Edition Sadowsky NYC Custom Build Warwick Licensed Sadowsky Limited edition 'Masterbuild' bass"...and add another $1,000 on top again...just to add to the mentalness...! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, ezbass said: Ridiculous! This whole Warwick licence debacle has done nothing but tarnish the Sadowsky brand IMO. makes me want to buy another Metro Japan though (a PJ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 7 hours ago, LukeFRC said: makes me want to buy another Metro Japan though (a PJ) Realistically (including financial considerations) it’s the only way I’d consider a Sadowsky now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Surely they could have adapted the Tesco Finest range logo for this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 7 hours ago, LukeFRC said: makes me want to buy another Metro Japan though (a PJ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 54 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: 😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 What a load of crap 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 12, 2021 Share Posted February 12, 2021 Sadowsky now being reduced to a joke brand under the helpful "management" of Hans Peter Wilfer. That guy must have a massive trophy cabinet filled with brands he's destroyed, screwed over, claimed credit for inventing their products and generally being a tool. He now goes over tonight to the cabinet, looking at the Spector, Alembic and Status Graphite trophies he has collected and now adds the Sadowsky trophy knowing that nobody will buy them as the pricing structure is now more ludicrous than Musicman's recent announcements which has no doubt been sponsored by "Mickey Rooney's crazy Pills." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) The crazily priced ones are a limited run of 30 basses for all those getting their panties in a twist about these, even the Metroline ones are a limited run of 100. Warwick do this sort of thing every year, they're always expensive and not meant to represent the regular ranges. This one looks the nicest IMO: Edited February 13, 2021 by lemmywinks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warwickhunt Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 The 'Sadowsky' adjustable nut... I bet Warwick wish they'd thought of that one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, warwickhunt said: The 'Sadowsky' adjustable nut... I bet Warwick wish they'd thought of that one! Pity Alembic did it before Warwick though. Another one of HPW's "inventions." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Wolverinebass said: Sadowsky now being reduced to a joke brand under the helpful "management" of Hans Peter Wilfer. How come pretty much everyone knew this would happen apart from my old mate Rog? Edited February 13, 2021 by AndyTravis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: The crazily priced ones are a limited run of 30 basses for all those getting their panties in a twist about these, even the Metroline ones are a limited run of 100. Warwick do this sort of thing every year, they're always expensive and not meant to represent the regular ranges. This one looks the nicest IMO: I think the point made earlier was that despite being masterbuilt and limited run, the fact that you could spec that bass, or even something more for yourself direct from big Rog for the same price or less from the original team, rather than a licensed team. For that reason we think HPW is probably taking the Michael or smoking crack 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, Cuzzie said: I think the point made earlier was that despite being masterbuilt and limited run, the fact that you could spec that bass, or even something more for yourself direct from big Rog for the same price or less from the original team, rather than a licensed team. For that reason we think HPW is probably taking the Michael or smoking crack Exactly, most NYCs are made on a limited run of 1, so I don’t get how a Warwick made run of 30 identical spec basses under a Sadowsky license agreement is somehow more special than a Sadowsky bass built to your own individual spec by Roger Sadowsky himself. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drTStingray Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cuzzie said: I think the point made earlier was that despite being masterbuilt and limited run, the fact that you could spec that bass, or even something more for yourself direct from big Rog for the same price or less from the original team, rather than a licensed team. I just wonder how long you would wait and how much you'd actually pay for a new NYC build ordered now, given the worldwide craziness (shipping, Covid etc etc). Warwick Custom Shop does make nice stuff but I'm not entirely sure what parts for these Sadowski by Warwick Custom Shop basses are actually made there - is it the hand assembly and fittings and finish which differ or are the basic parts from NYC stock? Does anyone else remember when the Metros first came out - I think they were £1500 - about the price of a concurrent Stingray - probably mid/late 2000s? I was very tempted but didn't take the plunge - I've played one or two and they're very nice. 2 hours ago, AndyTravis said: How come pretty much everyone knew this would happen apart from my old mate Rog? Yeah I wonder - however the cynic in me does wonder if Roger is gradually exiting from the business and they will eventually just be made by Warwick or from the Far East? I presume the initial quality issues with the Metrolines has now been resolved? Edited February 13, 2021 by drTStingray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 @drTStingray his responses to the complaints on Facebook are becoming a bit irksome and irate. A real shame. My HPJ Japanese Metroline is flawless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: @drTStingray his responses to the complaints on Facebook are becoming a bit irksome and irate. A real shame. My HPJ Japanese Metroline is flawless Roger's responses or Hans'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: Roger's responses or Hans'? Rog getting angry Edited February 13, 2021 by AndyTravis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Cuzzie said: I think the point made earlier was that despite being masterbuilt and limited run, the fact that you could spec that bass, or even something more for yourself direct from big Rog for the same price or less from the original team, rather than a licensed team. For that reason we think HPW is probably taking the Michael or smoking crack You could spec it yourself and order from Roger, that's true. What's also true is that Warwick have already done that, planned a small run of them, taken pictures, comissioned demo videos and offered them for sale which is an entirely different thing. The good news is that you aren't obligated to buy from either manufacturer. Never seems like HPW has these limited run instruments gathering dust around the factory and they seemed to be aimed more at collectors, I'm going to go out on a limb and say these will sell out and HPW will make a tidy profit on them just like all the other limited runs seem to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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