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The IEM (in ear monitors) Bible thread

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47 minutes ago, MrPring said:

My guy! I'm definitely still considering the p16m but that might be an future upgrade once I get the system up and running. One question though on daisy chaining. Presumably I can just run 1 cat5 from the xr18 into the first p16m and then 'thru' to the next and so on and they can have their own dedicated mix? 

Yes, that's what we do and it works fine 

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1 hour ago, MrPring said:

My guy! I'm definitely still considering the p16m but that might be an future upgrade once I get the system up and running. One question though on daisy chaining. Presumably I can just run 1 cat5 from the xr18 into the first p16m and then 'thru' to the next and so on and they can have their own dedicated mix? 

Yes exactly.  You can daisy chain them using the in/thru sockets (with each needing its own power supply) or feed them an individual cat 5 cable from the P16D splitter - which I think means they don't need separate power. 

 

Either way, each unit gets 16 channels from the XR18 that can be mixed, panned, eq'd etc completely independently of each other and independently of every other P16M. In stereo. 

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16 hours ago, bassmansam said:

I'm interested to know what you think about the UE6 vs UE11. 

 

I have the UE6 and will need to change someday. 

If I recall correctly, they were definitely a step up from the UE6 in terms of definition but less than I expected. They weren't bad, but I found the A4s to provide better separation between different instruments when listening to the same sound source. 

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18 hours ago, MrPring said:

My guy! I'm definitely still considering the p16m but that might be an future upgrade once I get the system up and running. One question though on daisy chaining. Presumably I can just run 1 cat5 from the xr18 into the first p16m and then 'thru' to the next and so on and they can have their own dedicated mix? 

P16m work brilliantly and we all use them. There's a newer updated version being released in January... 

 

https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-P16-HQ-16-Channel-Personal-Monitoring-Mixer/682C?origin=product-ads&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiA0fu5BhDQARIsAMXUBOJdelHu28N1A-hNw2cRckLFiOVS5EGaq46A3IDwaLZFszzC36a71gYaAja_EALw_wcB

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Has anyone found any good deals on wireless iem systems so far (Black Friday/Cyber Week).

 

I'm debating the XSW or if it comes down enough perhaps EW though it's almost 400 more.

 

For those using or come from the XSW is the EW worth the extra price?

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17 minutes ago, RichardH said:

Amazon have Behringer P2s on sale at £27 at the moment should anyone fancy any...

Sheesh - that's giving it away!!!  I love mine... I have it attached to my mic stand and with a 5m 3.5mm male to female, to my strap and to my IEMs - it sounds terrific - and I've used Avioms before!!!

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On 22/11/2024 at 12:38, Mizzle said:

Has anyone found any good deals on wireless iem systems so far (Black Friday/Cyber Week).

 

I'm debating the XSW or if it comes down enough perhaps EW though it's almost 400 more.

 

For those using or come from the XSW is the EW worth the extra price?

having done a little research the audio of the XSW isn't that good. I was going to but the EW myself but thought I'd try the MI-PRO58. It's excellent the MI-PRO and 400 quid cheaper than the EW. (I have an EW wireless mic, it is superb)

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On 28/11/2024 at 13:53, Woodinblack said:

 

As have Andertons for a few months as well, if you want to use a proper company!

 

On 28/11/2024 at 09:57, RichardH said:

Amazon have Behringer P2s on sale at £27 at the moment should anyone fancy any...

 

That's a really good price! Advantage of Amazon for Prime members is obviously the free shipping, however...Amazon are currently saying a 2 to 5 MONTH despatch period!!

Andertons reckon they will have more stock in on Monday (let's see) and a single £2.99 Evri delivery fee, seemingly irrespective of the quantity. I've just ordered a couple for my crew (particularly with our deps in mind).  (Something even better value came up spotted by @Woodinblack see below).

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3 hours ago, Al Krow said:

 

 

That's a really good price! Advantage of Amazon for Prime members is obviously the free shipping, however...Amazon are currently saying a 2 to 5 MONTH despatch period!!

Andertons reckon they will have more stock in on Monday (let's see) and a single £2.99 Evri delivery fee, seemingly irrespective of the quantity. I've just ordered a couple for my crew (particularly with our deps in mind). 

 

Our drummer ordered one too, because he was using mine - but at the same time I ordered one of the aliexpress copies. So now he doesn't borrow mine I have mine free, and the aliexpress one (which I must say is very good and also £17 inc), but they are handy when I need one!

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13 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

Our drummer ordered one too, because he was using mine - but at the same time I ordered one of the aliexpress copies. So now he doesn't borrow mine I have mine free, and the aliexpress one (which I must say is very good and also £17 inc), but they are handy when I need one!

 

They seem to be full price on Ali Express? Have you got a Behringer P2 clone from them?

 

If so, there's an irony in Behringer being cloned and also in you not thinking Amazon are a proper store 😅

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32 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

They seem to be full price on Ali Express? Have you got a Behringer P2 clone from them?

 

More a tribute than a clone - it isn't pretending to be a behringer, but it is sort of a copy. However, not only was it cheap, the volume knob is better and on the clip on the back, you can undo a bolt and put batteries in a holder, rather than sliding the tube out. Also the button which opens the sleve on the behringer is actually a stereo / mono push button.

 

32 minutes ago, Al Krow said:

If so, there's an irony in Behringer being cloned and also in you not thinking Amazon are a proper store 😅

 

Well, amazon is a proper store, designed to funnel all the money out of the country and peoples livelihoods in the uk and into Jeff Bezos private space fund, whereas aliexpress is a bizzar of cheap cloned tat funneling money out of the country to a whole group of people. Neither is perfect, clearly, but I know what i am buying on aliexpress. 

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17 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

 

More a tribute than a clone - it isn't pretending to be a behringer, but it is sort of a copy. However, not only was it cheap, the volume knob is better and on the clip on the back, you can undo a bolt and put batteries in a holder, rather than sliding the tube out. Also the button which opens the sleve on the behringer is actually a stereo / mono push button.

 

Well, you've whetted my apetite - may have to return the P2s...could you share the link to the tribute/clone copy you bought on AliExpress please?

 

One of the issues folk have commented about the P2 is about the clip snapping off, is the tribute/copy you bought any better?

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Following the SBL IEM video, I have put some ZS10s on my Christmas list. I'm not sure if I'll use them as stage IEMs as seems like a bit of a faff fot not much return, although following our last gig, even moderate volume is giving me ringing in the ears when I get to bed.

 

Wanted to try them to see how good they were for home practice while isolating external noise/distractions. If they're good will look at wireless and mini mixer options. 

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2 minutes ago, TimR said:

Following the SBL IEM video, I have put some ZS10s on my Christmas list. I'm not sure if I'll use them as stage IEMs as seems like a bit of a faff fot not much return, although following our last gig, even moderate volume is giving me ringing in the ears when I get to bed.

 

Wanted to try them to see how good they were for home practice while isolating external noise/distractions. If they're good will look at wireless and mini mixer options. 

 

Could I recommend the KZ ZARs, which are one of the top of the range KZs...they have been so much better than the entry level ZS10s I had, which almost made me give up with IEMs after using them for the best part of a year, in terms of a less harsh and much more comfortable sound, particularly if you are getting ringing in your ears?

 

If you scroll back, I think you'll find my experience with the ZARs has been mirrored by several others on this thread. I've just picked up a set off AliExpress for around £45 all in for a new band mate who is going wireless IEM.

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5 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Well, you've whetted my apetite - may have to return the P2s...could you share the link to the tribute/clone copy you bought on AliExpress please?

 

The link I have doesn't go anywhere now, but this is the same thing https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007849338535.html

 

5 hours ago, Al Krow said:

 

One of the issues folk have commented about the P2 is about the clip snapping off, is the tribute/copy you bought any better?

 

The clip on my P2 is very bent, I dont' know how, as the drummer used it most, it does tend to snag on stuff, the clip on the fake p2 is the same style but doesn't stick out as far, and it has a thumbscrew that tightens it up, which is good. It is good that they took the P2, which is fundamentally pretty good, and made it better - I am not worried about the mono / stereo, never used that but not having to take the case off to replace the batteries (which I did every other gig anyway, with rechargables, is a good idea

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1 hour ago, Woodinblack said:

 

The link I have doesn't go anywhere now, but this is the same thing https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007849338535.html

 

 

The clip on my P2 is very bent, I dont' know how, as the drummer used it most, it does tend to snag on stuff, the clip on the fake p2 is the same style but doesn't stick out as far, and it has a thumbscrew that tightens it up, which is good. It is good that they took the P2, which is fundamentally pretty good, and made it better - I am not worried about the mono / stereo, never used that but not having to take the case off to replace the batteries (which I did every other gig anyway, with rechargables, is a good idea

 

Is the point about the mono/stereo the ability to use a TS guitar lead vs a (more expensive) TRS cable e.g. if you are being fed from a aux out from the desk?

Also is the casing on the tribute P2 as sturdy as the Behringer P2?

 

The point about having a battery housing without needing to remove the entire casing just to replace batteries, is a good one.

 

£28 for a pair of Tribute P2 vs literally double for the Behringer P2 (which were already feeling like a bargain at £27 plus P&P each) and for a better product seems like the ultimate no brainer!

 

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2 hours ago, Al Krow said:

Is the point about the mono/stereo the ability to use a TS guitar lead vs a (more expensive) TRS cable e.g. if you are being fed from a aux out from the desk?

Also is the casing on the tribute P2 as sturdy as the Behringer P2?

 

The stereo is if you are being fed a stereo signal from an XLR rather than the more normal mono. I don't know if it actually reads stereo from a TRS - haven't tried it. The chapman stick sends stereo down an XLR so it is handy for me

The behringer can do the same, but its mono / stereo switch is on the circuit board on a tiny switch that most people dont' notice.

 

The casing is steel and seems like you would have to go out of your way to damage it.

 

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18 hours ago, Woodinblack said:

More a tribute than a clone - it isn't pretending to be a behringer, but it is sort of a copy. However, not only was it cheap, the volume knob is better and on the clip on the back, you can undo a bolt and put batteries in a holder, rather than sliding the tube out. Also the button which opens the sleve on the behringer is actually a stereo / mono push button.

Aren't they both copies of the (considerably more expensive) Fischer In-Ear Stick? Or have Ali-Express managed to copy a copy? :D

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