SimonK Posted Sunday at 21:06 Share Posted Sunday at 21:06 ...tis a mystery... same drummer but only keys plus vocals this week (so not guitar) which certainly gave me more space in the mix. I have a Genzler Magellan preamp pedal that I bought specifically as it has two curve (EQ) presets that you can toggle between, meaning I can sweep them relatively quickly to find what works (perfect for the zero set up time at church). Three weeks ago "Curve A" at 3/4 sounded great, this morning "Curve B" at 3/4 which is a whole different profile seemed to work, along with cutting around 250Hz on my graphic EQ. But no rhyme or reason! CURVE A (Blue): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve that boosts lows and highs while simultaneously cutting mids. The slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve covers a wide range of sounds from flat to classic to modern depending on the position of the independent CURVE A control. CURVE B (Amber): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve with attenuated high-mids and highs, a low-mid bump, and a slight roll-off of the lowest bass frequencies. Again, the slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve is intended to provide sounds in the range of vintage amps and vintage cabinets that do not have tweeters. An independent CURVE B control is provided for this filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted Sunday at 21:16 Share Posted Sunday at 21:16 8 minutes ago, SimonK said: ...tis a mystery... same drummer but only keys plus vocals this week (so not guitar) which certainly gave me more space in the mix. I have a Genzler Magellan preamp pedal that I bought specifically as it has two curve (EQ) presets that you can toggle between, meaning I can sweep them relatively quickly to find what works (perfect for the zero set up time at church). Three weeks ago "Curve A" at 3/4 sounded great, this morning "Curve B" at 3/4 which is a whole different profile seemed to work, along with cutting around 250Hz on my graphic EQ. But no rhyme or reason! CURVE A (Blue): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve that boosts lows and highs while simultaneously cutting mids. The slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve covers a wide range of sounds from flat to classic to modern depending on the position of the independent CURVE A control. CURVE B (Amber): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve with attenuated high-mids and highs, a low-mid bump, and a slight roll-off of the lowest bass frequencies. Again, the slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve is intended to provide sounds in the range of vintage amps and vintage cabinets that do not have tweeters. An independent CURVE B control is provided for this filter. You took a guitar out the mix- with it the scooped sound gave the guitar space about where a typical dreadnaught resonates , without it you wanted low mids and put the high mids and highs to help the keys ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted Sunday at 21:17 Share Posted Sunday at 21:17 I mean that would be my guess! If I were running sound I would eq the keys differently depending on if they were the lead instrument or if there was a guitar too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonK Posted Sunday at 21:47 Share Posted Sunday at 21:47 26 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: I mean that would be my guess! If I were running sound I would eq the keys differently depending on if they were the lead instrument or if there was a guitar too Yes not a bad thought - so the bass needs to be a bit more scooped with an acoustic guitar in the mix whereas a low-mid boost works better when it doesn't clash with the guitar - but quite a big change achieved entirely due to EQ which makes me wonder why we spend so much on different amps etc. when the EQ makes the biggest difference - although I suppose that's why everyone has started raving about IEM and ampless setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted Sunday at 22:46 Share Posted Sunday at 22:46 (edited) Perception is such a weird thing. Work has just invested in a new studio. I plugged the new Sandberg P into the new Neve 1073 into the new ATC SCM45As. The sound I had been searching for for years was there and the search was over. 2 weeks later I spent 2 hours tracking 3 different basses through 5 different premaps (and learning the studio routing). Was the Sanberg/Neve/ATC combo still THE ONE? Nope, just another flavour of nice. Everything always changes. Edited Monday at 08:35 by Owen because of the spelling, always because of the spelling. Proof reading is SO tedious. But I never learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted Monday at 10:44 Share Posted Monday at 10:44 12 hours ago, SimonK said: Yes not a bad thought - so the bass needs to be a bit more scooped with an acoustic guitar in the mix whereas a low-mid boost works better when it doesn't clash with the guitar - but quite a big change achieved entirely due to EQ which makes me wonder why we spend so much on different amps etc. when the EQ makes the biggest difference - although I suppose that's why everyone has started raving about IEM and ampless setups. IEM and ampless setups is all about reducing stage noise and letting the FOH do the work without needing to fight against a backline/foldback reflections. Why do we spend so much on different amp? well with a IEM setup you end up doing the same with preamp/di! What EQ, what compression, how it sounds .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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