SimonK Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 ...tis a mystery... same drummer but only keys plus vocals this week (so not guitar) which certainly gave me more space in the mix. I have a Genzler Magellan preamp pedal that I bought specifically as it has two curve (EQ) presets that you can toggle between, meaning I can sweep them relatively quickly to find what works (perfect for the zero set up time at church). Three weeks ago "Curve A" at 3/4 sounded great, this morning "Curve B" at 3/4 which is a whole different profile seemed to work, along with cutting around 250Hz on my graphic EQ. But no rhyme or reason! CURVE A (Blue): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve that boosts lows and highs while simultaneously cutting mids. The slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve covers a wide range of sounds from flat to classic to modern depending on the position of the independent CURVE A control. CURVE B (Amber): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve with attenuated high-mids and highs, a low-mid bump, and a slight roll-off of the lowest bass frequencies. Again, the slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve is intended to provide sounds in the range of vintage amps and vintage cabinets that do not have tweeters. An independent CURVE B control is provided for this filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 8 minutes ago, SimonK said: ...tis a mystery... same drummer but only keys plus vocals this week (so not guitar) which certainly gave me more space in the mix. I have a Genzler Magellan preamp pedal that I bought specifically as it has two curve (EQ) presets that you can toggle between, meaning I can sweep them relatively quickly to find what works (perfect for the zero set up time at church). Three weeks ago "Curve A" at 3/4 sounded great, this morning "Curve B" at 3/4 which is a whole different profile seemed to work, along with cutting around 250Hz on my graphic EQ. But no rhyme or reason! CURVE A (Blue): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve that boosts lows and highs while simultaneously cutting mids. The slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve covers a wide range of sounds from flat to classic to modern depending on the position of the independent CURVE A control. CURVE B (Amber): Provides a variable pre-shaped curve with attenuated high-mids and highs, a low-mid bump, and a slight roll-off of the lowest bass frequencies. Again, the slopes are fairly gentle which keep the tone shaping very musical. This curve is intended to provide sounds in the range of vintage amps and vintage cabinets that do not have tweeters. An independent CURVE B control is provided for this filter. You took a guitar out the mix- with it the scooped sound gave the guitar space about where a typical dreadnaught resonates , without it you wanted low mids and put the high mids and highs to help the keys ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 I mean that would be my guess! If I were running sound I would eq the keys differently depending on if they were the lead instrument or if there was a guitar too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonK Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 26 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: I mean that would be my guess! If I were running sound I would eq the keys differently depending on if they were the lead instrument or if there was a guitar too Yes not a bad thought - so the bass needs to be a bit more scooped with an acoustic guitar in the mix whereas a low-mid boost works better when it doesn't clash with the guitar - but quite a big change achieved entirely due to EQ which makes me wonder why we spend so much on different amps etc. when the EQ makes the biggest difference - although I suppose that's why everyone has started raving about IEM and ampless setups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 (edited) Perception is such a weird thing. Work has just invested in a new studio. I plugged the new Sandberg P into the new Neve 1073 into the new ATC SCM45As. The sound I had been searching for for years was there and the search was over. 2 weeks later I spent 2 hours tracking 3 different basses through 5 different premaps (and learning the studio routing). Was the Sanberg/Neve/ATC combo still THE ONE? Nope, just another flavour of nice. Everything always changes. Edited November 18 by Owen because of the spelling, always because of the spelling. Proof reading is SO tedious. But I never learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted November 18 Share Posted November 18 12 hours ago, SimonK said: Yes not a bad thought - so the bass needs to be a bit more scooped with an acoustic guitar in the mix whereas a low-mid boost works better when it doesn't clash with the guitar - but quite a big change achieved entirely due to EQ which makes me wonder why we spend so much on different amps etc. when the EQ makes the biggest difference - although I suppose that's why everyone has started raving about IEM and ampless setups. IEM and ampless setups is all about reducing stage noise and letting the FOH do the work without needing to fight against a backline/foldback reflections. Why do we spend so much on different amp? well with a IEM setup you end up doing the same with preamp/di! What EQ, what compression, how it sounds .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie C Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago I usually play bass guitar at church (of course), but on a whim this morning I took my guitar-bodied-mandolin instead. I arrived at church to find the band leader was absent due to the floods and I was the only musician with an instrument. 4th Sunday is an informal service anyway and we sit in a circle, so a guitar worked OK. We cut the hymns down to two. O Worship the King started off badly - I think people are used to the piano playing the melody, but also I've not done this before and was 'leading' rather than 'accompanying'. It settled down by verse 3, and the final hymn, Majesty, Worship his Majesty went quite well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago We started one song in D but the leader sang the first verse in G. By the time I had worked out what his vocal key was, he was moving back towards D. It was intense! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobo_08 Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 15 minutes ago, Owen said: We started one song in D but the leader sang the first verse in G. By the time I had worked out what his vocal key was, he was moving back towards D. It was intense! Woah... I get stressed when the keys come through Saturday night and sometimes Sunday morning, but key changes on the fly 🙈 If I was a better playing it wouldn't bother me so much I guess.. but right now it does give me anxiety. Lol Edited 3 hours ago by Bobo_08 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago The whole congregation got anxiety. But not as much as the bloke playing in one key and singing in another. On a musical level it was quite impressive, but in the moment, not quite so impressive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 28 minutes ago, Owen said: The whole congregation got anxiety. But not as much as the bloke playing in one key and singing in another. On a musical level it was quite impressive, but in the moment, not quite so impressive. You know the round bit on the end of a fender headstock - was designed to safely poke folk doing similar without the risk of serious injury. Sometime in the early 80s one regular singer had the bruises but not the musical ability to get into the right key, Leo had had enough and the point of a G&L headstock was invented 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_dinger Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 34 minutes ago, Owen said: The whole congregation got anxiety. But not as much as the bloke playing in one key and singing in another. On a musical level it was quite impressive, but in the moment, not quite so impressive. What a talent! Akin to patting one's head with a mallet, and rubbing one's tummy with sandpaper - difficult to do, and painful to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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