Calling all teenagers

[Stan_da_man]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='188417' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:05 PM']4. In a lot of cases, they really don't need the money and could just get a job[/quote]
This is one thing that really annoys me. My mate said he would try and get a job for the summer (He get's EMA so dosen't get it in the summer - ha!). He said he couldn't get one because he was busy - HE HAD 10 WEEKS TO GET A JOB AND NO COURSEWORK TO DO! I know for a fact he did nothing the whole summer.

[queenofthedepths]

Too busy spending all the EMA he saved up, going out drinking or whatever, perhaps? You're right about not learning the value of money

[MythSte]

Quite yer whinging and be greatful your not in poverty.

[Jono Bolton]

Having been a student who used his loan for bills/rent/food rather than pissing it away like the stereotypical student on cider and fags, it annoys me how many students get into even more debt with overdrafts etc. when they've been given money to help pay for necessities so they can focus on their education rather than have to find time to both study and work. For too long I've lived with people who get their loans in then spend the next two weeks in the pub, but when bills come in or rent is due complain that they can't pay it because they don't have enough free money. Too many people get carried away with having big lump sums and not taking into account that it should be used for important stuff, not wasted in Topshop. One former flatmate asked that the rest of us just sit in bed and put on extra clothes rather than put on the heating because she couldn't pay the gas bill, but spent every night after work (that's right, she worked too, on top of her huge loans and bursary) in the pub. Her reasoning? 'We're students, people expect us to do stuff like that'. No, not when you get given sh*t-loads of money from the government to pay for your bills. It annoys me that there's no way to govern how student loans are spent.

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='ste_m3' post='188427' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:15 PM']Quite yer whinging and be greatful your not in poverty. [/quote]
Quit YOUR whinging and be glad you're not in China, where basschat is probably censored and you couldn't have logged on to tell me not to whinge

[MythSte]

[quote name='jono b' post='188428' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:17 PM']Having been a student who used his loan for bills/rent/food rather than pissing it away like the stereotypical student on cider and fags, it annoys me how many students get into even more debt with overdrafts etc. when they've been given money to help pay for necessities so they can focus on their education rather than have to find time to both study and work. For too long I've lived with people who get their loans in then spend the next two weeks in the pub, but when bills come in or rent is due complain that they can't pay it because they don't have enough free money. Too many people get carried away with having big lump sums and not taking into account that it should be used for important stuff, not wasted in Topshop. One former flatmate asked that the rest of us just sit in bed and put on extra clothes rather than put on the heating because she couldn't pay the gas bill, but spent every night after work (that's right, she worked too, on top of her huge loans and bursary) in the pub. Her reasoning? 'We're students, people expect us to do stuff like that'. No, not when you get given sh*t-loads of money from the government to pay for your bills. It annoys me that there's no way to govern how student loans are spent.[/quote]

Couldnt agree more. If you want to go out and get plastered, get a job. End of.

[Jobiebass]

[quote name='paul, the' post='188325' date='Apr 29 2008, 06:59 PM']Comparing yourself with others is the only thing that is holding you back.[/quote]

True, very true!

[MythSte]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='188430' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:18 PM']Quit YOUR whinging and be glad you're not in China, where basschat is probably censored and you couldn't have logged on to tell me not to whinge [/quote]

No, QUIT your whinging, you could be in bristol which i heard is just full of people telling other people to quit whinging!

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='ste_m3' post='188448' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:36 PM']No, QUIT your whinging, you could be in bristol which i heard is just full of people telling other people to quit whinging! [/quote]
Hahahahahahahaha! Full of? I'm not that big!
Someone slightly younger than me post some porn and get this thread back on topic!

[MythSte]

Do you know how hard im trying NOT to post some actual porn?!

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='ste_m3' post='188473' date='Apr 29 2008, 10:10 PM']Do you know how hard im trying NOT to post some actual porn?! [/quote]
Hahaha, you teenagers are all the same (I should know - I was one until a few months ago) - unless it's bass porn, keep it to yourself!

[Kev]

ema is a bloody joke, and is so unfair its untrue

[budget bassist]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='188417' date='Apr 29 2008, 09:05 PM']It's Education Maintenance Allowance - if your household income is below a certain level and you're in further education (bursaries are just for higher education), you get paid £30 a week or in some cases more... I think - here are some of the reasons I think it's ridiculous:
1. It's generally spent on luxury items rather than anything to do with education such as books/stationary etc
2. A lot of the people who get it actually have a higher household income than they declare, because of benefits or untaxable income or whatever... same goes for most benefits, really
3. The student gets it rather than the parents who are supporting them
4. In a lot of cases, they really don't need the money and could just get a job
5. My parents earned just above the threshold so I had to get a job to afford my basses - yep, I'm biased [/quote]
EMA is a good thing IMO. It does get spent on luxury items, but a fair bit of the time it's helped me out for important thing when i've had no money. I agree, i think everyone should get it (apart from kids with jobs) because when my parents were earning good money (just over EMA limit) they could never have afforded to give me £30 a week, now my mum doesn't live with us and my dad was redundant for the best part of last year it was pretty handy. But that's my two cents there.

Edited April 29, 2008 by budget bassist

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='budget bassist' post='188502' date='Apr 29 2008, 10:39 PM']EMA is a good thing IMO. It does get spent on luxury items, but a fair bit of the time it's helped me out for important thing when i've had no money. I agree, i think everyone should get it (apart from kids with jobs) because when my parents were earning good money (just over EMA limit) they could never have afforded to give me £30 a week, now my mum doesn't live with us and my dad was redundant for the best part of last year it was pretty handy. But that's my two cents there.[/quote]
Hmm, you have a fair point but firstly I'd say it's unfair not to give it to those of us who got a job (get paid less for working more?? Makes no sense...) and it also should be less or perhaps schools/colleges should be given money to pay for stuff for like books and paper - the trouble with giving students an incentive to stay in education is generally that if they need a monetary incentive not to get a job then they're probably not enthusiastic enough about education to take it seriously - if, on the other hand, they're so poor that they can't afford not to work unless they receive EMA... well, THEN they should be getting EMA... but I don't think this is the case most of the time

[steve-soar]

I say, let's overthrow the planet. Anarchy will reign for about 10 -15 years, then, when all of the politicians and leaders or the armed forces have been executed, military technology has been reabsorbed into the mainstream, so as to bring us up to speed with what's really happening, we will live through a very interesting period of lawlessness and bartering. In this total reconfiguration of human society, there will only be two things that will have survived from the old ways, cockroaches and students.

[budget bassist]

It is difficult, but i;m of the opinion that if anyone is to get it, everyone should get it. And yeah i suppose it would be unfair not to give it to those with a job as that's their choice. But some people really do need it. If i didn't get EMA, all my money would have gone on feeding myself. My parents give me so much money per month and it doesn't go nearly as far as they think it should. That's all the money i got went on, i rarely bought clothes. with EMA, i know it's not educational, but at least i have money for clothing and other things, and educational things. Plus it's nice to actually be able to buy yourself something nice once in a while right?

[quote name='steve-soar' post='188531' date='Apr 29 2008, 11:26 PM']I say, let's overthrow the planet. Anarchy will reign for about 10 -15 years, then, when all of the politicians and leaders or the armed forces have been executed, military technology has been reabsorbed into the mainstream, so as to bring us up to speed with what's really happening, we will live through a very interesting period of lawlessness and bartering. In this total reconfiguration of human society, there will only be two things that will have survived from the old ways, [color="#FF0000"]cockroaches and students[/color].[/quote]
close enough

Edited April 29, 2008 by budget bassist

[Exile252]

Not only is it a stupid idea, but its decided by complete idiots, before my brother was getting £20 a week, whilst I was getting £30, now, something about that ain't right, is it?
Also, I can't afford anything nowadays, like, I haven't had a new set of strings on my bass for a whole year as I just can't afford them as I have no form of income what so ever. The threshold for EMA is ridiculous as well, £30,000 a year is enough for two people to live on, not a whole family. Sure both my parents work, but this still can't bring enough money for anything.
They should up the threshold to £50,000 or £60,000. But as the concept was thought up by people who fail to realize that the UK does actually have some people who aren't earning large sums of money and driving their expensive cars, living in their big houses.

P.S I have looked for a job millions of time, but when people read I'm studying music, I don't get a job. Most people think musicians are slackers. I only want money to afford more bassing stuffage. In my last job I worked at extreme rates and never had anything to do because I'd finish very fast .

[budget bassist]

I know what you mean. £30,000 a year is good pay, but only if you don't have kids! My parents are broke near enough and are now collectively earning more than that (though my mum isn't living with my dad so i still get EMA, yet she still gives me money for stuff, and before you say anything that's perfectly legal, again blame the government . As i say, everyone should get it. And it can be hard to get a job, i applied to about 15 different places a good few months ago and didn't hear back from any of them.

[Exile252]

Yeah, I'm gonna be applying for more places later on this week, maybe this time I'll get somewhere *crosses fingers*. But for now I think I might try selling some pointless stuff I have, like my Dean V. Though might be hard to shift as its got a huge dent in one of the arms from my mum kicking my old ME-50B into it

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='Exile252' post='188537' date='Apr 29 2008, 11:33 PM']Also, I can't afford anything nowadays, like, I haven't had a new set of strings on my bass for a whole year as I just can't afford them as I have no form of income what so ever. The threshold for EMA is ridiculous as well, £30,000 a year is enough for two people to live on, not a whole family. Sure both my parents work, but this still can't bring enough money for anything[/quote]
In over 3 years of playing bass, I have NEVER bought a new set of bass strings! I just like that rotten sound Don't your parents get child benefit until you're 19?

[queenofthedepths]

[quote name='Exile252' post='188548' date='Apr 29 2008, 11:42 PM']Yeah, I'm gonna be applying for more places later on this week, maybe this time I'll get somewhere *crosses fingers*. But for now I think I might try selling some pointless stuff I have, like my Dean V. Though might be hard to shift as its got a huge dent in one of the arms from my mum kicking my old ME-50B into it [/quote]
I wish my bass had my ME-50B embedded in it! That'd be quite useful... or maybe not

[Exile252]

Yeah, though we're one of the unlucky bastards who the government decided they paid too much to. Though when ever we asked for any proof of this, they hushed up. Money stealing Gorden Brown, gah I hate him and his rubber face with a passion.

[MythSte]

Its a flawed system needless to say, but when your trying to implement something over such a grand scale you obviously cant please everyone!

I mean, My Stepbrother lives 40% here with his dad, and 60% with his mum. (there or there abouts) His mums a hairdresser single mum etc, fair enough, EMA. What they fail to pick up on is that his dad (my stepdad) Is an MD at BAE, and a percentage of his pay goes into her account every month anyway. Like i said, a flawed system. But at least they're trying.

[Exile252]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='188552' date='Apr 29 2008, 11:46 PM']I wish my bass had my ME-50B embedded in it! That'd be quite useful... or maybe not [/quote]

It defo unbalance it thats for sure. Its a guitar lol Bought it before everyone decided to buy Dean guitars....... Which seems to happen quiet alot bizarrely, happened twice with my headphones, had sony ones, everyone gets them, moved over to Skullcandy, and now everyone is planning to buy them! Gah!

[budget bassist]

[quote name='queenofthedepths' post='188549' date='Apr 29 2008, 11:42 PM']In over 3 years of playing bass, I have NEVER bought a new set of bass strings! I just like that rotten sound Don't your parents get child benefit until you're 19?[/quote]
haha me too, i change them about once a year, or whenever they make my fingers smell like rusty metal