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So there I was at a local venue watching a Floyd tribute band and admiring the lovely 18 YO female bass player (gotta be carefull - her dad was the frontman!) when I noticed her bass. Seemed to be a 62 reissue. At the end it was sitting back to front on it's stand - when I looked a bit closer I saw it had a JV serial. Interest sparked, I asked for a look The frontman assured me it was all genuine - JV00001.

It was certainly a lovely bass - two piece highly figured body - everything else looked just like my fretless CIJ 62 reissue except for some minor decal changes.

A good friend who knows his Fenders reckoned the original JV's didn't have 'squier' on the headstock....so.....

Could it be number 1?



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Or could it possibly be an aftermarket part, engraved with 00001 as homage to the Gilmour #0001 ("Number One") Strat?

[url="http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=259"]http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=259[/url]

And, from what I can see, the player looks a bit of a corker :brow:

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[quote name='skankdelvar' post='397214' date='Feb 1 2009, 08:34 PM']Or could it possibly be an aftermarket part, engraved with 00001 as homage to the Gilmour #0001 ("Number One") Strat?

[url="http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=259"]http://www.gilmourish.com/?page_id=259[/url]

And, from what I can see, the player looks a bit of a corker :brow:[/quote]

But it's definately 'JV' 00001 so nothing to do with Gilmour. I mean it's obviously either the real deal or has a fake neck plate. Where are the JV experts? Wish I'd taken more pics, but I'd gone through about five bottles of dog by then!

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[quote name='King Tut' post='397432' date='Feb 2 2009, 12:14 AM']But it's definately 'JV' 00001 so nothing to do with Gilmour. I mean it's obviously either the real deal or has a fake neck plate. Where are the JV experts? Wish I'd taken more pics, but I'd gone through about five bottles of dog by then![/quote]

...or you could just ask them - the band, I mean ;)

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The 21frets site reckons JV00001 is in the hands of a 'fender employee' but has pictures of the plates stamped JV00003-00010. [url="http://www.21frets.com/squier_jv/serialnumbersanddates.htm"]http://www.21frets.com/squier_jv/serialnumbersanddates.htm[/url]

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[quote name='benwhiteuk' post='398154' date='Feb 2 2009, 06:05 PM']Looks interesting. I don't have a clule about Fenders but I'm keeping an eye on this thread cos it'll be interesting to find out what this is. What are the reasons that it could not be the JV00001?[/quote]

If it is #1 of the whole JV series it would be a very collectable (expensive) instrument. However... If it's getting gigged in a PF trib band in old blighty I'd love to hear the story of how it got to where it is. ;)

FWIW I reckon it's a fake. It looks FAR too clean to be that instrument; the tuners look modern and shiny, the headstock just looks like it has a lack of the patina/colour that the genuine old JV's have (regardless of whether it has been in a sealed box under the bed) dare I say the headstock looks anemic, though I accept that lighting can play tricks. Lastly; I may be a Geordie but even I wouldn't clag a NUFC sticker on the headstock of the oldest/first JV instrument produced... FAKE!

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hmmm looking at the pics on 21frets the logo seems to be in slightly different place.
also whats the strange silver thing at the top end of the fret board?
Also i know you cant see too well on the pic but i thought the first batch were made of sen ash which has a heavy grain pattern. From the photo this doesnt seem to.
hmm

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Well I always thought MIJs had the serial number at the base of the neck, not on the bolt-plate.

It probably is an early one, the machine heads are the type with the elongated (winding button) shaft rather than the "shorter" gohto machine I am more familiar with on Japanese Fender basses.

I'm a spotter!

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[url="http://www.guitardaterproject.org/fender.aspx"]http://www.guitardaterproject.org/fender.aspx[/url]

This is quite a good site for Fender serial numbers,
Here's what it said about this one... ;)




Guitar Info
Your guitar was made at the
Fuji-gen Plant (for Fender Japan), Japan
in the Year(s): 1984 - 1987

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Hi all

IMO it COULD be genuine, but like Warwickhunt I'd like to know how it ended up over here, and not in the ownership of someone who worked at the factory.

If it's genuine, it seems to be all correct based on the very limited info above. It's all a bit changeable, but c.1982 JVs didn't have the 'Squire Series' decal on the ball of the headstock, just 'Made in Japan' under the Fender logo, like the one above.

Very soon after that the decal was added to the ball and 'Made in Japan' was stamped by the neck joint.

We'd need more photos, really... intriguing, though!

[quote]also whats the strange silver thing at the top end of the fret board?[/quote]

It's just reflected light.

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[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCIlFPMd87I&feature=channel"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCIlFPMd87I...feature=channel[/url]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLQHRH-CJwE&feature=channel"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLQHRH-CJwE...feature=channel[/url]

This'll probably not help much but for those wanted to see the ....erm ....bass in action, here's a coupla vids from the gig concerned.

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[quote name='wateroftyne' post='399673' date='Feb 4 2009, 08:12 AM']It's just reflected light.[/quote]

no its not. Firstly what is it reflecting off of? and secondly it has the shadow of the strings on it. It cant be a refletion if it also can have a shadow...

I have just today got a lovely early 82 P bass (large fender logo and squier series) on the end of the headstock. It is in a better nick than the very nice and well looked after 2002 fender japan i just sold. The neck has yellowed with time, and the wood used on it has no distinguishable grain.

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[quote name='LukeFRC' post='400220' date='Feb 4 2009, 05:42 PM']no its not. Firstly what is it reflecting off of? and secondly it has the shadow of the strings on it. It cant be a refletion if it also can have a shadow...[/quote]
Err... yes it is. Look again.

It's just the light from a strip light or summat on the ceiling reflecting off the scoop at the end of the fingerboard, past the nut.

Of course the strings are casting a shadow. That's how shadows happen..!

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[quote name='Leowasright' post='399657' date='Feb 4 2009, 06:50 AM']Well I always thought MIJs had the serial number at the base of the neck, not on the bolt-plate.

It probably is an early one, the machine heads are the type with the elongated (winding button) shaft rather than the "shorter" gohto machine I am more familiar with on Japanese Fender basses.

I'm a spotter![/quote]

Nope - not until a bit later did the serials appear as a transfer at the neck heel. These JVs had the serials engraved on the neck plate. I have a Japanese Squier Strat and had a Japanese Fender Bass that both have the serial on the headstock. I believe it's the CIJ stuff that has the serial on the neck heel.

My JV P bass had reverse tuners as well, so would assume the same for the Jazz.

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