Amplification (have we gone wrong)

[dmccombe7]

18 minutes ago, walshy said:

Nor is the WB100 mate and plenty heft too!

You have a WD100 ?

What's it like. They are still pretty rare beasts over here

Dave

[walshy]

1 minute ago, dmccombe7 said:

You have a WD100 ?

What's it like. They are still pretty rare beasts over here

Dave

Incredible! So good I sold my DB751 almost instantly. Believe everything @wateroftyne says about them

[wateroftyne]

20 minutes ago, walshy said:

Nor is the WB100 mate and plenty heft too!

Exactly. There seems to be a perception that "Not class D = too heavy". This just ain't true.

[Passinwind]

On 02/02/2020 at 07:45, Toddy said:

, I have no desire to be a dinosaur, and no disrespect to the modern light stuff, but cannot these amazing sounds be reproduced, yes I've done the massive 8x10 stuff at festivals,  but to get a punch like that in a venue was phenomenal, are we on the right track ?

 

IMHO, the market has voted and old obsolete stuff lost. Whatever remains of that technology isn't obsolete...yet. Pretty much the same way it works with the tunes we play, or don't. 

[wateroftyne]

1 minute ago, walshy said:

Incredible! So good I sold my DB751 almost instantly. Believe everything @wateroftyne says about them

I feel vindicated 😄

[dmccombe7]

1 minute ago, walshy said:

Incredible! So good I sold my DB751 almost instantly. Believe everything @wateroftyne says about them

You said WB100 is that the Mesa head or is that the Handbox head ?

 

[walshy]

Just now, dmccombe7 said:

You said WB100 is that the Mesa head or is that the Handbox head ?

 

Handbox mate

[dmccombe7]

1 minute ago, walshy said:

Handbox mate

I saw his review on the amps and was very impressed plus not overly expensive either.

Maybe i should look at them.

Dave

[walshy]

Just now, dmccombe7 said:

I saw his review on the amps and was very impressed plus not overly expensive either.

Maybe i should look at them.

Dave

Deffo, if you ever get close to me you're welcome to pop in for a test drive

[dmccombe7]

10 minutes ago, walshy said:

Deffo, if you ever get close to me you're welcome to pop in for a test drive

Appreciated @walshy

where is Hexham ? Is that South of the border. 

Problem is trying to get one altho there were 2 sold on here in past few months by looks of it.

Dave

Edited February 3, 2020 by dmccombe7

[walshy]

yeah Northumberland mate

[deepbass5]

Having read all your comments I was waiting for an amp engineer to weigh in with what is what. this is my amateur inaccurate memory of what happens

I tent to agree with your sentiments that old Mosfet gear has heft, but are we talking about its ability to react quickly that is what we need

I used to own an old mosfet Carvin Probass500 the spec sheet was very comprehensive and listed every trade secret in the listed design spec 

The THD was something like 0.5% at rated output - the sound to noise ratio was about -85dB

my Mesa D800+ has a THD of 10% and sound to noise of -73dB

The old Carvin made a point of the slew rate of the amp, basically the in rush current when you strike a note and how important this factor was to the design of a good bass amp and to the bass player. The old valve and mosfet SS amps had large transformers and capacitors that delivered this, it was sat there humming away waiting for you to demand all that energy , a Class D has to wait to see what you want from the amp ie a thumb strike or pluck and then go draw the power from the mains and then amplify it quickly and hope you happy with the result.

I think what we want to know is if we need to bust some kidneys we have the power to do so. Headroom and weight.

and yes my old Markbass LMK was a very early Italian job and as good as anything i have owned before or since. 

So why dont amp manufacturers state all these facts these days so we know and have the figures to back up what our ears tell us

Edited February 3, 2020 by deepbass5

[Cuzzie]

@Paul S @dmccombe7 don’t get me started on Scottish rugby and our butter fingered poster boy.

Any one of us could play any position for them and it’ll be better.

Paul - go for No 8 - you’ll get a game

[taunton-hobbit]

7 minutes ago, deepbass5 said:

old Mosfet gear has heft,

My amps are cooking great valve jobbies (just sayin')

😎

[dmccombe7]

1 hour ago, walshy said:

yeah Northumberland mate

where's that ? nearest city would give me a rough idea. 

I'm just kidding. its in Wales isnt it 

Sorry couldn't resist that one.

Its really not that far from me off the A69. I always wondered what that large town was till i googled it earlier. Travelled that road so many times.

 Cheers and thanks again 

Dave

Edited February 3, 2020 by dmccombe7

[TheGreek]

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[Woodinblack]

I have a TC RH450 and a Ashdown CTM100. The 450 does 95% of the gigs but the CTM does the occasional one when I can find the space in the car to take it out. The CTM does sound very nice for a lot of things.

[mrtcat]

12 hours ago, wateroftyne said:

Exactly. There seems to be a perception that "Not class D = too heavy". This just ain't true.

When I picked up my R-400 I was really surprised by how small and not heavy it was. Perfect combination of light and compact whilst feeling super solid and has the sound advantages of a much heavier amp.

[Davo-London]

Having read all this I'm feel a bit nostalgic.  I understand the technological differences but that's not really the point.  You plug in and go hmm or wow.   I do like it when I feel the hairs on my legs feel the air moving from the speakers.  I like it when you can blow away the guitarist and then show restraint by turning down to a sensible volume.

But ...

All we use in church is in-ears and a click track and frankly it terms of enjoying the experience, forget it.  Enjoyment lives in the past when all we had was class D, bad backs and plenty of wow.

Peace

Davo

PS: my rig is a class D Aguilar and Barefaced Cab.  So I'm a phoney.

[deepbass5]

Now you got me looking at Handbox again 😂

and notice they now do an M bass 500 twin channel basically the same as my old Mark bass LMK for under 380 pounds

[stingrayPete1977]

Amps....? Cabs.....? 

Nah can't remember them.

[casapete]

1 hour ago, stingrayPete1977 said:

Amps....? Cabs.....? 

Nah can't remember them.

Easy - just go to any reasonably sized gig or maybe watch Later with Jools and you'll see loads of 'em…...

( Whether they're just for show of course is another matter 🤣 )

[Beedster]

BC at its classic best

[Urban Bassman]

For thr past 8-9 years I've been D Class, Markbass, TC, Eich and associated "lightweight" 2x10 and 2x12 cabs.  They all sounded OK and at gigs I'd get the occasional complement on my tone etc.  But....I did feel that they could be a little lacking in something, which was hard to put my finger on...soul? organic? It seemed, to me, that something gets lost in translation between analog to digital and back to analog.  Who knows? Very subjective and not a little inconsistent.  Anyho...After nearly 12 months without a band it looks like I've finally got something going and in need of a rig... and here it is.   I'm super pleased with it and to my ears, sounds fab.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Urban Bassman
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[No lust in Jazz]

Personally, I think its all too easy to go up one's own exhaust pipe with amplification.

My bass playing sounds better for practice and rehearsal, once the signal goes to the soundman - there's nothing much that I can do anyway.

Current setup is either a Quilter BB 800 or Boogie WA head into one or a couple of Barefaced cabs as required.

The OP can't be doing too much wrong with the roster and quality of gigs he plays.