peteb Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 Damian Keyes is bang on the money as usual. He does mug for the camera for humorous effect occasionally (which will put a few people off), but this should be required viewing for any aspiring muso or weekend warrior... 2 Quote
skidder652003 Posted February 11, 2020 Posted February 11, 2020 That sh1tty Rik behind him blew it all to shreds for me.. 1 Quote
grandad Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Good luck to any and all who are or aspire to become a pro'. For me I love being an amateur. It's my hobby for my own pleasure and all the other benefits, social etc, that ensue. 1 Quote
Bolo Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 That was a hard watch, what an annoying fellow. Spot on message though! Quote
mikel Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) Why "Verses". Its not a knockout competition. Aspirations aside we all do the best we can with the time we have for music. Some have, or chose to prioritise, lots of time for music, others have to fit it in around life. I like to think I am an amateur with a pro attitude. The only way I would have loved to be a pro would have been in a band with my mates playing and recording the music we had writen. As for a hired hand or a session player, no thank you. Edited February 12, 2020 by mikel Spelling. 5 Quote
Kazan Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 So if he makes more income from his YouTube videos than from playing, is he no longer a "professional musician"? 1 Quote
peteb Posted February 12, 2020 Author Posted February 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, Kazan said: So if he makes more income from his YouTube videos than from playing, is he no longer a "professional musician"? I think that his argument is that he is and that there are more income streams for pro musicians than just gigs and sessions etc. Quote
chris_b Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Simplicity is a good lesson to learn. None of the guys I've played with like the "lead" bass player style of playing. 2 Quote
Kazan Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, peteb said: I think that his argument is that he is and that there are more income streams for pro musicians than just gigs and sessions etc. I believe you're right. I just find him annoying and pedantic. He does make good, if obvious, points. I still believe one can be a pro while having a day job as well (I did 10+ years playing an easy 200 shows a year and had a better paid job that whole time - that was playing professionally despite his definition). Quote
peteb Posted February 12, 2020 Author Posted February 12, 2020 37 minutes ago, chris_b said: Simplicity is a good lesson to learn. None of the guys I've played with like the "lead" bass player style of playing. For me, the real difference between guys like me and decent pros is maintaining the consistency that he talks about. Very difficult to do while holding down a full time job. Quote
Lozz196 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I’ve not watched the vid, but seeing as I don’t earn my living from music I’m amateur - with the most professional outlook on it all that I can manage. 4 Quote
No lust in Jazz Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I'll settle for happy musician - which I am. 5 Quote
Jus Lukin Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) - Edited March 4, 2022 by Jus Lukin 5 Quote
chris_b Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, No lust in Jazz said: I'll settle for happy musician . . . . . . . . That's a good, but the point is no one has to "settle" for anything. IMO the video is starting from the belief that most players will want to get better. The points are things that are not always obvious but knowing about them will help all players to improve in many areas. 2 Quote
mikel Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Nothing eye opening at all in that vid. Stating the bleeding obvious and sweeping generalisations. If you can make money by posting vids like that and get away with it then good luck to the guy. Wish I had thought of it. 2 Quote
ambient Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Kazan said: So if he makes more income from his YouTube videos than from playing, is he no longer a "professional musician"? The one big thing I was taught at uni is the requirement to have what they called a portfolio of skills, so you earning from playing, teaching, arranging, maybe writing too. It’s all music, I don’t get up at 7am and spend all day working in a shop or factory. Yesterday I was at uni for a PhD thing, yesterday evening I was teaching, right now I’m doing PhD work, this afternoon I’m teaching. There’s very few people I can think of that only play. 3 Quote
bassbiscuits Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I'm a professional musician. Just not a full-time one. I also don't do my desk job full-time, but that doesn't mean I'm amateur at it. It's just semantics. 5 Quote
itu Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I put quite some effort on acting and behaving as a pro, although I am not one: read music, transcribe, try to be in time, helping others, study continually more... I wish I could be able to play only the right notes instead of all notes - this is probably the biggest difference between a real pro and me. Work continues... 1 Quote
dave moffat Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) I'm strictly a rank amateur, (emphasis on RANK), BUT that doesn't mean I don't work damned hard work hard to be the best I can be and keep working on it until they're nailing down the lid. I know my limitations but get huge joy from putting together some really cool riffs now and again. I really enjoy coming up with possible bass lines to stuff often quite different take to the original. I'd probably drive a covers band nuts, fortunately my playing pal puts up with my idiosyncrasies. I'm improving and learning all the time but that just leads me even further 'off-piste', so I can't even call myself a piste artist Edited February 12, 2020 by dave moffat 1 Quote
mentalextra Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 5 hours ago, mikel said: Why "Verses". Its not a knockout competition. Aspirations aside we all do the best we can with the time we have for music. Some have, or chose to prioritise, lots of time for music, others have to fit it in around life. I like to think I am an amateur with a pro attitude. The only way I would have loved to be a pro would have been in a band with my mates playing and recording the music we had writen. As for a hired hand or a session player, no thank you. Semi professional? Quote
Steve Browning Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 My (ex pro) Dad used to say that an amateur practices until they get it right. A pro practices until they can't get it wrong. That'll do for me. 4 Quote
miles'tone Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Very informative vid. I used to get so hung up on being good at everything that I stopped enjoying what I was naturally good at which is simplicity and solid time and feel. Food for thought. 2 Quote
SH73 Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 I'm a bedroom musician. I play what I want and when I want to, no audience needed, stress free. Don't need to rely on drummers, egoism loading/unloading.... Oh and I can pull a face (like any other musician) when I play. My only occasional enemy is GAS, so I never break margin. 1 Quote
gjones Posted February 12, 2020 Posted February 12, 2020 Most professional musicians I know, have a wife who has a proper job. 3 1 Quote
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