mistahbenn Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Check it out, [url="http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1960-FENDER-JAZZ-BASS-JAZZBASS-60s-USA_W0QQitemZ290299259645QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item290299259645&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A3|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.com/VINTAGE-1960-FENDER-JA...%3A1|240%3A1318[/url] Quote
warwickhunt Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Please someone tell me that is faked! The first thing that sprang to mind was that I expected to see a stack-knob Jazz if it was 1960... didn't the 3 knob control get introduced circa 62/63? Then my eye was drawn to a whole variety of discrepancies and the wonderful natural wear and mojo. Quote
simon1964 Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='warwickhunt' post='421792' date='Feb 28 2009, 05:02 PM']Please someone tell me that is faked! The first thing that sprang to mind was that I expected to see a stack-knob Jazz if it was 1960... didn't the 3 knob control get introduced circa 62/63? Then my eye was drawn to a whole variety of discrepancies and the wonderful natural wear and mojo. [/quote] I think the three knob plate was introduced during 1961, but Fender, typically, used both for a while. But a 1960 ought to be stacked knob. The neck's stamped September 60. It could be a bass which was assembled in 61, which would explain the three knob plate? Edited February 28, 2009 by simon1964 Quote
OldGit Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Yeah stacks went up to 62... and a pre-62 would normally have the "earth strap" but it may have been messed with. The parts look right but the body looks like smeones taken paint stripper and a blow torch to it. The back of the neck is certainly not worn in the way that every old Fender I've seen has- ie the signs of the gradual erosion of the surface by the players' hands... Quote
YouMa Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 The varnish ware does not look right to me,would a one of this date not craze and crack more,it looks more like its been melted. Quote
mistahbenn Posted February 28, 2009 Author Posted February 28, 2009 Also it should have the holes where the mutes were, between the bridge and the bridge pickup. Definitely an oddball. Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Some good spots there guys - there's one that does it for me though - the bridge pickup is back nearer the bridge in the style of 70s Jazzes. I've had enough Pre-CBS examples through my hands over the years to know that pickup should be closer to the edge of the control plate - something they get right on most repros! Quote
99ster Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' post='421826' date='Feb 28 2009, 06:04 PM']Run away![/quote] +1 A very poor attempt at a fake... with a long list of reasons why! Edited February 28, 2009 by 99ster Quote
chris_b Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 The back of the head, where the machine head has been removed, should be a lighter colour. The exposed wood should have darkened. Are the filled in screw holes on the neck normal? Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 [quote Are the filled in screw holes on the neck normal? [/quote] Nope -that's where they've filled in the holes that lined up with the original 60s body and made new ones to suit what I think is a much later one. I'm pretty sure the neck is an original although most likely re-finned at some time. The rest of it - Naaah Quote
Ou7shined Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 How exactly did that bit of varnish at the machine heads just ware off like that and how the hell does it lose varnish on the heel... [b]in the neck pocket[/b]???? Quote
alanbass1 Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Well, from what I can see, other than what's already pointed out, is that the tuning pegs are definately not original. There is so much wrong with the bass that only a fool would touch it - despite the claim that they do not sell fakes! This looks like a bitser bass made from old and new parts. I note there are no pictures of the electronics, which is a tell tell sign (if ever one was needed in this case). Quote
simon1964 Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 And another thing, the dots on the fretboard should be clay dots on an early 60s Fender. Those don't look right at all to me. Quote
eubassix Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 ?.. would an early/60's Fender jazz have what looks like a hex. truss-rod adjuster (.. in what looks like a very large, oversized hole at the base of the neck) ?... Quote
YouMa Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 I think someone should tell him hes been rumbled! Quote
mathewsanchez Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Well with 30 bids it's fooled someone. Quote
The Bass Doc Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 Neck could still be real, pegs definitely re-issue - worm and cogs too 'busy'-originals are more 'spare' in that department (does that make sense?). Truss rod adjust nut replaced with hex - hopefully with correct thread. Re-fin would explain the strange laquer behaviour. This guy has some cheek to say he 'no sell fakes'. You know what? if he told me he was a liar, I wouldn't believe him. Quote
bassaussie Posted February 28, 2009 Posted February 28, 2009 [quote name='The Bass Doc' post='421985' date='Feb 28 2009, 09:19 PM']pegs definitely re-issue - worm and cogs too 'busy'-originals are more 'spare' in that department (does that make sense?).[/quote] I think you're talking about the "ratio" of the machineheads - too many windings. And yes, you're 100% correct. I was reading a thread recently about this dealer - he claims to be in Australia, but he's actually in one of the south-east Asian countries (I can't recall whether it was Indonesia, Malaysia or what). You can take what you like from that - there's certainly no reason that a vintage Fender can't be located in one of those countries, however, why claim to be in one place when you're actually somewhere else? And, sure enough - my trusty friend "Google" has given me an Indonesian community page about Erikguitars. [url="http://www.kaskus.us/member.php?u=161772"]http://www.kaskus.us/member.php?u=161772[/url] Quote
99ster Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 [quote name='The Bass Doc' post='421985' date='Feb 28 2009, 09:19 PM']Neck could still be real, pegs definitely re-issue - worm and cogs too 'busy'-originals are more 'spare' in that department (does that make sense?). Truss rod adjust nut replaced with hex - hopefully with correct thread. Re-fin would explain the strange laquer behaviour. This guy has some cheek to say he 'no sell fakes'. You know what? if he told me he was a liar, I wouldn't believe him.[/quote] IMHO - I don't think the neck is real... as mentioned, not only should the truss rod adjuster nut have a deep cut hex nut, but the position of the truss rod itself doesn't look right - on 1958-62 slab board necks the hole for truss rod adjuster nut was actually cut into the rosewood (see pics of a real 1960 Jazz neck & a '62 P Bass neck). [attachment=21256:6ecc_1.JPG.jpg] [attachment=21257:62p_neck_date.jpg] The hole on this dodgy neck only just clips the edge of the fretboard - & only then because it's been so poorly drilled/re-drilled out... As for the body? No mutes holes by the bridge & no router hump - pretty conclusive that the body isn't original. And the finish definitely isn't right - all the early burst Jazz basses I've seen had a lot of black in the finish, with a much a smaller area used for the red/yellow. As for the dreadful faked ageing on the neck & the body... It's just comical. Quote
99ster Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 [quote name='bassaussie' post='422005' date='Feb 28 2009, 09:44 PM']I think you're talking about the "ratio" of the machineheads - too many windings. And yes, you're 100% correct.[/quote] Spot-on. Here's a pic of a real set of 1960 Jazz bass tuners as a comparison... [attachment=21258:60_jazz_tuners.jpg] Quote
wmsheep Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Doesnt the "Webright" stamp on the neck pertain to early/mid 70`s necks? Quote
Hamster Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 Has anyone sent the seller the consensus of opinion of the Basschat Spot a Forgery a Mile Off Police Squad? Quote
Kiwi Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 [quote name='YouMa' post='421808' date='Feb 28 2009, 05:17 PM']The varnish ware does not look right to me,would a one of this date not craze and crack more,it looks more like its been melted.[/quote] Looks like someone whacked it on the barbie. mate? Quote
YouMa Posted March 1, 2009 Posted March 1, 2009 (edited) Im pretty sure cellulose cracks,lifts etc,urethayne melts.Wish i had not been in my current payment dispute with ebay (I have not payed there fees cause i dont like them anymore) otherwise i would love to message the dude. However saying that the grain on the fingerboard looks genuine to me,i have been priviledged enough to drool over a real 1960 jazz before and the grain on the fingerboard did look similar,hes gone over the top with the tea/golden virginia staining though.Looks like fag ash rubbed into the distressed urethayne patches. Edited March 1, 2009 by YouMa Quote
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