Andyjr1515 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Wow look at that! No one would have thought I made it all up. Wouldn't catch me doing something like that. Goodness, no! P.s. Delighted it worked Well done. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Good call on not trying to get another nut to fit on there. Its proper mangled. Hindsight a speciality. 👍 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Would those who know like to comment, bu to me that neck construction seems quite unusual with the wood fillet between the truss-rod and fingerboard. Given how thick the fingerboard was, how much wood is there between the bottom of the truss-rod channel and the back of the neck? The channel is obviously much deeper than the diameter of the truss rod so it will need filling once the new rod is in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, BigRedX said: Would those who know like to comment, bu to me that neck construction seems quite unusual with the wood fillet between the truss-rod and fingerboard. Given how thick the fingerboard was, how much wood is there between the bottom of the truss-rod channel and the back of the neck? The channel is obviously much deeper than the diameter of the truss rod so it will need filling once the new rod is in place. You think maybe fill it under the new rod to give a little more strength to the delicate neck? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 What was the fillet on top of the trussrod like? Was it a relatively substantial piece of wood or was it just a thin sliver to stop the glue from the fretboard join contaminating it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, stewblack said: You think maybe fill it under the new rod to give a little more strength to the delicate neck? No, I don't think so. The Shafty necks tend to be a bit more chunky than the Ric ones. (The old-style truss-rods allowed the neck to be thinner, because they didn't need curves in the rod(s).) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songofthewind Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Stew, that is an excellent piece of work.You should be very proud. I bloody told ya! You’ll be setting up in business next: fretboard removals to the gentry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, prowla said: No, I don't think so. The Shafty necks tend to be a bit more chunky than the Ric ones. (The old-style truss-rods allowed the neck to be thinner, because they didn't need curves in the rod(s).) Not this one mate, the fretboard is chunky the neck like a wafer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I wonder if there's room to get a two way truss rod in there, or even if that would be a good idea. It's all fascinating to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: I wonder if there's room to get a two way truss rod in there, or even if that would be a good idea. It's all fascinating to me... It's been suggested. I'm going to wait for the Elders Of The Builders of The Bass to pronounce. Meanwhile I need to get digging , that wood won't remove itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, stewblack said: It's been suggested. I'm going to wait for the Elders Of The Builders of The Bass to pronounce. Meanwhile I need to get digging , that wood won't remove itself. Fab. I should be following your steps with my JHS Vintage maple neck that suffered a snapped TR. It's in a box here somewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 52 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: Fab. I should be following your steps with my JHS Vintage maple neck that suffered a snapped TR. It's in a box here somewhere... Do it! It's surprisingly medetitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, stewblack said: Do it! It's surprisingly medetitive I don't own a smart palette knife like yours, Stew... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ricky 4000 said: I don't own a smart palette knife like yours, Stew... If you have good eye hand coordination you should be able to remove the fretboard from nut to heel with one swing of an axe. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pea Turgh Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Maude said: If you have good eye hand coordination you should be able to remove the fretboard from nut to heel with one swing of an axe. Actually snorted when I read that! 🤣🤣🤣 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 @stewblack - how deep is the channel from the top face to the bottom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 I've been following this while hiding behind the sofa, scared of the damage. Well done @stewblack, both on accepting the challenge and the progress so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 27 minutes ago, Andyjr1515 said: @stewblack - how deep is the channel from the top face to the bottom? Not had a great day today so left it alone, I'll measure it first thing tomorrow. Sorry. 13 minutes ago, Richard R said: I've been following this while hiding behind the sofa, scared of the damage. Well done @stewblack, both on accepting the challenge and the progress so far. Thank you Two things helped a lot. The instrument might be worth a couple of hundred to someone who really wanted it, but it was worthless as it was. Also there are people here hold your hand all the way, makes it far less daunting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 45 minutes ago, stewblack said: Not had a great day today so left it alone, I'll measure it first thing tomorrow. Sorry. Thank you Two things helped a lot. The instrument might be worth a couple of hundred to someone who really wanted it, but it was worthless as it was. Also there are people here hold your hand all the way, makes it far less daunting. A good condition Sharfty is worth £500+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 14, 2020 Author Share Posted May 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, prowla said: A good condition Sharfty is worth £500+ This isn't all that pretty though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 Update: I didn't rush removing the thin but tightly packed layer of wood from the rout. I found the best way was to secure the instrument and score repeatedly with a sharp blade then tap gently on my tiniest screwdriver. I know it's sharp; I've pulled it from my bleeding fingers quite often. This did the job in no time at all. Once I cleaned it I used the same handy tool to clear all the adhesive from around the nut at the body end of the neck. Didn't want that sticking and me putting undue strain to lever it out. I then used my tyre removal technique and indeed my tyre removing tools to gently work the rod free mm by mm gently and slowly Et voila! @Andyjr1515 you asked for the depth at the deepest point. It's 1cm give or take half a thou 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, stewblack said: It's 1cm give or take half a thou I like a man who will happily mix up imperial and metric in one measurement. I always go to whatever increment is closest on my tape measure or ruler, "That's 18 inches and three mil". Never fails to ensure I cut in the wrong place. 😁 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 (edited) On 13/05/2020 at 20:30, SpondonBassed said: Good work. I'm surprised how thick the fretboard seems to be. The unmentionable bass (looks very similar to yours) that I owned many years ago also had an incredibly thick fingerboard with the same style binding. In this respect the Shaftesbury is being faithful. Really good work so far and so rewarding when a DIY job saves the day. Having recently encountered (for the first time ever) a neck with a back bow I would use a double action rod if you can. If you need a strip of maple to fill the truss rod channel bed for the double action rod put the dimensions up on here. Edited May 15, 2020 by 3below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 Great progress so far! Another question @stewblack - in relation to the top face, is the channel the same depth all the way along (ie is it parallel with the top face) or - more likely - does it get deeper the further you go along towards the heel (ie a curved bottom to the slot along the length). Either way, I'm pretty sure that a two-way modern rod would fit - they are generally 9mm deep - and, personally, that's what I would fit. Tonetech do good ones in a variety of lengths. As @3below says, you may need to put some packing strip in the bottom if it is curved and deepens but we can send you some if necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted May 15, 2020 Author Share Posted May 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Andyjr1515 said: Great progress so far! Another question @stewblack - in relation to the top face, is the channel the same depth all the way along (ie is it parallel with the top face) or - more likely - does it get deeper the further you go along towards the heel (ie a curved bottom to the slot along the length). Either way, I'm pretty sure that a two-way modern rod would fit - they are generally 9mm deep - and, personally, that's what I would fit. Tonetech do good ones in a variety of lengths. As @3below says, you may need to put some packing strip in the bottom if it is curved and deepens but we can send you some if necessary *runs to shed to measure* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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