EBS_freak Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='xgsjx' post='438495' date='Mar 18 2009, 05:37 PM']Never understood why the homosexuals stole or adopted the word "gay", or was it just some PC F@*kwit trying to be PC? They can be bright and cheerful if they want Just don't prod my poo [/quote] But you are fine with the sucking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh3184 Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='xgsjx' post='438495' date='Mar 18 2009, 05:37 PM']Never understood why the homosexuals stole or adopted the word "gay", or was it just some PC F@*kwit trying to be PC? They can be bright and cheerful if they want Just don't prod my poo [/quote] oh dear, not touching this topic with a ten foot penis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Is there anyone here who's actually paid an obscene amount (or anything above its useful value at all...) for an instrument just because of its age/rarity? And I mean OLD age - I think the price of a new bass is obscene compared to the used market, but that hasn't stopped me buying several myself. Does anyone know anyone who's bought one of those crazily-priced 60s Fenders on eBay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 I know someone who bought an old JPJ Alembic for an obscene amount but then you'd pay a similarly obscene amount for a new one too! I'm guessing those paying top whack for old Fenders are predominantly collectors/investors rather than players. Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for dragging this one out of the gutter (last two guys) ped Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
queenofthedepths Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 You'd think there'd be some of those collectors among us, though, wouldn't you? I think most of us would like to own a piece of history like that, even if we can't afford it or just aren't willing to spend so much on something so impractical. I suppose anyone who can afford to splash out £50,000 on a bass they'll never play is too busy to come on Basschat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerboy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='queenofthedepths' post='438513' date='Mar 18 2009, 05:54 PM']I suppose anyone who can afford to splash out £50,000 on a bass they'll never play is too busy to come on Basschat! [/quote] I used to think that, but over on the Travis Bean forums, Vincent Gallo would take a break from his hectic expensive-guitar buying, world tours and other things he'd boast about, just to insult the likes of little old me (not me personally, but people like me). It was quite touching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdy Posted March 18, 2009 Share Posted March 18, 2009 [quote name='queenofthedepths' post='438504' date='Mar 18 2009, 05:45 PM']Is there anyone here who's actually paid an obscene amount (or anything above its useful value at all...) for an instrument just because of its age/rarity? And I mean OLD age - I think the price of a new bass is obscene compared to the used market, but that hasn't stopped me buying several myself. Does anyone know anyone who's bought one of those crazily-priced 60s Fenders on eBay?[/quote] Yes my 65 Jazz was an obscene amount of money and is now worth about 2/3 or what I paid for it. The only consolation is that it is the nicest sounding bass I have ever played and if I had left the money in shares I would be down by more. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 And having played that 65 jazz, it was absolutely fabulous. Not sure what is wrong with trying to recover the word gay though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='4000' post='428170' date='Mar 7 2009, 07:15 PM']Do you (yes, you personally) buy the cheapest, most functional clothes you can? The cheapest functioning car? The cheapest functioning tv? The cheapest pc that actually works? Because your argument says you should and that anyone who does anything else is nuts.[/quote] To some extent yes I suppose I do. I drive a little Daihatsu because it's cheap to run, convenient and utterly reliable, I buy cheap clothes if I see cheap clothes I like, I have actually never bought a TV, now that you mention it... Would you (yes, you personally) spend 10x more on a bass if it had an especially nice veneer on the front and it sounded and played just as good as your other basses? Would it be worth 100x as much? 1000x? At what point do you label the buyer a cretin? I draw the line a bit earlier than you it seems. [quote name='EdwardHimself' post='428218' date='Mar 7 2009, 08:48 PM']... Also what makes you think that everyone who works in theatre is gay? I know several people who do drama and are far from homosexual. I'm not gay myself by the way i am just sick to death of hearing every stupid chav in my school who calls me gay because they seem to think it's the worst thing you could ever call someone.[/quote] I didn't think anyone was still using "gay" in that context, I haven't heard it in ages, that's why I thought it might be funny to use it. Actually I still think it was funny, and you're a bit humourless. And I don't "think that everyone who works in theatre is gay" and nor did I say that. [quote name='Rich' post='438219' date='Mar 18 2009, 01:09 PM']I am firmly with Edward here. [b][u]The word 'gay' is not a term of abuse and should not be used as such[/u][/b]. If anyone wants to call something crap, say it's crap. If you want to call someone an idiot, call them an idiot.[/quote] Fair enough if calling a bass "gay" is unacceptable (I can appreciate that there are some sensitive gays out there somewhere), but calling someone an idiot is OK? I've seen "chav" used quite a lot around here too. That's pretty offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 You think using 'gay' as an insult is funny, but you're all sensitive about calling someone an idiot (rather than using 'gay' as an insult again) and you think 'chav' is offensive? Oh please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Rich' post='438884' date='Mar 19 2009, 07:37 AM']You think using 'gay' as an insult is funny, but you're all sensitive about calling someone an idiot (rather than using 'gay' as an insult again) and you think 'chav' is offensive? Oh please.[/quote] Explaining humour is always tiresome but for your benefit: Calling an object "gay" is clearly perverse, nonsensical, it's funny for that reason. I don't call people "gay" unless they are gay. I don't use "gay" as an insult, you just didn't understand the context I used it in. And yes I think "Chav" is a derogatory term that is used way too liberally. I don't think it's OK to declare a whole class of people to be dossers and criminals. It's considerably more damaging than calling a lump of wood "gay". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 The word "Chavvy" has been used for decades by folk from the fairground to refer to "not so clever" or "pesant behaving" males. Which IMO seems to tie in well with the people who get classed as chavs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='birdy' post='438340' date='Mar 18 2009, 03:20 PM']Are you ok ferret? You seem to have come over all queer?[/quote] I just realised my dictionary is not great. Just underneath "gay" is says GB is Great Britain when we all know it is Goodfellow Basses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardHimself Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='thisnameistaken' post='438863' date='Mar 19 2009, 04:01 AM']Fair enough if calling a bass "gay" is unacceptable (I can appreciate that there are some sensitive gays out there somewhere), but calling someone an idiot is OK? I've seen "chav" used quite a lot around here too. That's pretty offensive.[/quote] I already told you i'm not gay but i'm sick of hearing stupid kids in school calling me gay as an insult. Yes calling someone an idiot is not so bad because there isn't anything wrong with being gay but someone who is an idiot is not a singularly definable group and it's usually something that the person being insulted has brought on themselves, such as implying that people who work in theatre are more likely to be homosexual or saying that a bass has a sexuality and that there is something wrong with that bass's sexual preferences. Also the term "chav" means different things to different people. Just because you live on a council estate or have 12 kids by the time you're 25 doesn't automatically make you a chav. As far as i'm concerned chavs are people who go round leaching off government benefits knowing that they could easily get a job, blowing all that money on pot, kidnapping their own daughter and fooling the whole nation into giving them gifts and money, going round reckoning they're some gangsta and stabbing people etc... as far as i see they could be reasonable people, they don't have to be rich, they just have to be decent hardworking people who do what they can for other people as well as themselves without being criminals. But they're not, they're just lazy and selfish and don't care about what they do or how it makes other people feel as long as they're happy. That's what makes them chavs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='bass_ferret' post='438939' date='Mar 19 2009, 09:23 AM']I just realised my dictionary is not great. Just underneath "gay" is says GB is Great Britain when we all know it is Goodfellow Basses [/quote] ...and then there are all those Genz Benz owners who use the GB acronym... They are all wrong. It's Goodfellow Basses as we all should know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='EdwardHimself' post='439038' date='Mar 19 2009, 11:14 AM']Also the term "chav" means different things to different people. Just because you live on a council estate or have 12 kids by the time you're 25 doesn't automatically make you a chav. As far as i'm concerned chavs are people who go round leaching off government benefits knowing that they could easily get a job, blowing all that money on pot, kidnapping their own daughter and fooling the whole nation into giving them gifts and money, going round reckoning they're some gangsta and stabbing people etc... as far as i see they could be reasonable people, they don't have to be rich, they just have to be decent hardworking people who do what they can for other people as well as themselves without being criminals. But they're not, they're just lazy and selfish and don't care about what they do or how it makes other people feel as long as they're happy. That's what makes them chavs.[/quote] Fred Goodwin - superchav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I read the first page of this thread a while ago, I see it again at 6 pages long and check out the last page and there's arguments about using the word gay? In a thread about expensive basses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='EdwardHimself' post='439038' date='Mar 19 2009, 11:14 AM']I already told you i'm not gay but i'm sick of hearing stupid kids in school calling me gay as an insult. Yes calling someone an idiot is not so bad because there isn't anything wrong with being gay but someone who is an idiot is not a singularly definable group and it's usually something that the person being insulted has brought on themselves, such as implying that people who work in theatre are more likely to be homosexual or saying that a bass has a sexuality and that there is something wrong with that bass's sexual preferences.[/quote] That was a really long-winded insult. Try harder. Perhaps you could try using more effective language (and have some dumb scrote pull you up on it despite barely comprehending what you'd actually said). [quote name='EdwardHimself' post='439038' date='Mar 19 2009, 11:14 AM']As far as i'm concerned chavs are people who go round leaching off government benefits knowing that they could easily get a job, blowing all that money on pot, kidnapping their own daughter and fooling the whole nation into giving them gifts and money, going round reckoning they're some gangsta and stabbing people etc... as far as i see they could be reasonable people, they don't have to be rich, they just have to be decent hardworking people who do what they can for other people as well as themselves without being criminals. But they're not, they're just lazy and selfish and don't care about what they do or how it makes other people feel as long as they're happy. That's what makes them chavs.[/quote] So only a fraction of the people who get called "chavs" are actually chavs by your definition? But you think it has extremely negative connotations. So it's not acceptable to bandy the word around and label random working class people as "chavs" when you've actually no idea who they are but they're wearing the wrong trainers? Thanks for reinforcing my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamster Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 Guys - can this thread be kept on topic please? If it continues this way, it will be locked Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisnameistaken Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 I'm happy to drop it, I've explained myself about as well as I can be bothered to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cetera Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='doctor_of_the_bass' post='428361' date='Mar 8 2009, 02:03 AM']I just love the way these threads run - in answer to the OP, then who knows? In terms of collections its probably Cetera as many of my fifty or so basses are cheapos such as some of my Arias and Washburns etc - these were purchased purely down to a nostalgia for all those basses that I wanted back in the 80s...[/quote] Blimey.... me...? Really....? *blush* Put it down to effective up-trading, not spending my money on booze, fags or football... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 So, at what point does an expensive bass become too expensive to comfortably take to a gig? Let's say an ordinary gig at the Dog & Duck, rather than a big gig on a proper stage. Actually, to partially answer my own question, I guess the key word is 'valuable' rather than expensive. A £300 bass bought for you by a loved-one could quite easily be far more personally valuable than a £1000 piece of exotica. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='Rich' post='439111' date='Mar 19 2009, 12:28 PM']So, at what point does an expensive bass become too expensive to comfortably take to a gig? Let's say an ordinary gig at the Dog & Duck, rather than a big gig on a proper stage.[/quote] The answer should be "never too expensive to take to a gig", unless it was bought as a recording only instrument or a an 'investment'. Personally if I own a bass I'm going to play it. If it's the right sounding bass for the job I'll be playing it wherever. Instruments are just as likely to pick up dings and bumps at rehearsals or even in your own house as at a gig. If a venue looked really dodgy then maybe the bass would stay in its case by my side except when I'm on stage playing it. If you have an expensive bass and you don't use it then that is a waste of money. Thinking about it now the replacement value of the basses and amplification I was using at my last gig would have been approaching £10,000, but I simply can't let that sort of thing worry me. Also in a way an exotic custom bass is far less steal-able than a Fender or Warwick simply because they are so unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubs Posted March 19, 2009 Share Posted March 19, 2009 [quote name='BigRedX' post='439170' date='Mar 19 2009, 01:03 PM']The answer should be "never too expensive to take to a gig", unless it was bought as a recording only instrument or a an 'investment'.[/quote] I'd agree with that. Money shouldn’t be the reason not to want to gig the instrument... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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