Rexel Matador Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 I was in two minds as to whether to post this as it's not a bass and I don't want Davie504 to call the FBI on me, but I mentioned it in my last bass build diary and a couple of you said you didn't mind, so here we go. It's technically a baritone, so I haven't gone all the way to the dark side. The guitarist/leader of my band asked me to build him a guitar. This is my first time building an instrument for someone else, and f*** me if it isn't the most hideous, literally the last thing I would ever conceive of building, instrument in the world. Still, beggars can't be choosers and/or the customer's always right. It's an opportunity to push myself with someone else paying for all the wood and that. So... have you ever seen those BC Rich 10 string guitars? The two bass strings are on their own, but the other four are doubled up like a 12 string? It's that but a V shape. Neck-through, maple neck, rosewood board, sapele body wings, 27" scale. Six tuners on the headstock, the other four at the other end. In all honesty this is a fascinating experience for me. There's no accounting for taste, but to my mind this thing is an abomination. Can I give it my all and make him happy? Let's find out. So far I've done a scarf joint and put in the truss rod and - something new for me - a couple of carbon fibre rods. I figure 10 strings is a lot of tension, so it might help. I don't have a bandsaw so will be adding more wood at the body end to make it thick enough, as I did with my last neck-through build. It's going to have a tune-o-matic bridge so the neck will need to be angled. No tail-piece - six strings will be anchored through the body and the other four will go to the bridge-end tuners. I have it all figured out in theory. In practice, I'll just have to cross my fingers and hope it all works out. This is the headstock shape - you'll see the markings for the tuners, plus four more where the ball ends of the extra strings will go through. This is my first sketch of the whole thing. It's an interesting challenge to come up with something that accommodates the unique set-up and looks... ok. Again, it's not my cup of tea, but he loves it and that's what matters. I'm still not sure where the jack and strap buttons are going to go. But most excitingly, it's NRD - New Router Day! The one I had been using was a falling to bits and if I'd persevered much longer, someone (me) would probably have got hurt. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Keep us routed, I mean “posted” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldersqueeze Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 You can be forgiven a baritone when it's as pointy as that! I love the shape. Hope the colour will be as striking I'll be watching with interest. Please let us know your thoughts on the router (JOF001 I think?), as I believe it's the same model I've ordered and due to get this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted June 15, 2020 Share Posted June 15, 2020 It’s unusual. But in a good way .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted June 15, 2020 Author Share Posted June 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, soldersqueeze said: You can be forgiven a baritone when it's as pointy as that! I love the shape. Hope the colour will be as striking I'll be watching with interest. Please let us know your thoughts on the router (JOF001 I think?), as I believe it's the same model I've ordered and due to get this week. Mine is the the MOF001 which I believe is the slightly bigger version, but I could have that the wrong way round. I chose it mainly because it came with 6.35mm and 8mm collets, so I can get straight to work with all the bits I already have. I haven't actually used it yet, as those channels were done with my old router. I'm looking forward to putting it to work though - the precision depth adjustment wheel is a brilliant feature - my old one was more bare bones. It's nice to hear some positive comments on the design too - I should be more positive about it myself really as I'm the one making the thing. If I can pull this off, I think it'll look pretty cool in the flesh. Edited June 15, 2020 by Rexel Matador Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) On 15/06/2020 at 23:18, Rexel Matador said: Mine is the the MOF001 which I believe is the slightly bigger version, but I could have that the wrong way round. I chose it mainly because it came with 6.35mm and 8mm collets, so I can get straight to work with all the bits I already have. I haven't actually used it yet, as those channels were done with my old router. I'm looking forward to putting it to work though - the precision depth adjustment wheel is a brilliant feature - my old one was more bare bones. It's nice to hear some positive comments on the design too - I should be more positive about it myself really as I'm the one making the thing. If I can pull this off, I think it'll look pretty cool in the flesh. Your’s like mine is indeed the 1400watt MOF, the JOF is just over a thousand watts, but also capable. They also do a 2400watt version 😱. What I like about the MOF is the built in lift, which meant I could make this out f some scrap I had. Edited June 19, 2020 by HazBeen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Fugly guitar by the way, but aren’t they all 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted June 19, 2020 Author Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, HazBeen said: Fugly guitar by the way, but aren’t they all 😂 Indeed, even when they try to make them as bass-ish as possible: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 Well in an odd twist, having let this project gather dust for way too long, I ended up getting kicked out of the band (unrelated to the slow progress on the build), so the guitarist won't be getting his 10 string V after all. But I still have a 27" scale neck that I've started work on, so I'm going to make an altogether more civilised tele-ish baritone instead. I did consider making a very short scale bass, but I already have... well, I won't say "too many basses" for fear of getting banned, but I have a few, and only one (barely) functioning guitar. And a baritone is at least leaning in the right direction, right? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyJ Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Looks a lot better! I thought that V body was much too compact for it to balance well. Looking at other V-models and Jackson Rhoads models, they appear much longer to me. I like your new design! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Rexel Matador said: Well in an odd twist, having let this project gather dust for way too long, I ended up getting kicked out of the band (unrelated to the slow progress on the build), so the guitarist won't be getting his 10 string V after all. But I still have a 27" scale neck that I've started work on, so I'm going to make an altogether more civilised tele-ish baritone instead. I did consider making a very short scale bass, but I already have... well, I won't say "too many basses" for fear of getting banned, but I have a few, and only one (barely) functioning guitar. And a baritone is at least leaning in the right direction, right? Bummer about the band! But that looks really nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pea Turgh Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Love the body design. Could the shape be shifted up the neck though? Looks like the headstock might have a fatal attraction to the floor, and that would really fook the tuners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 21 minutes ago, Pea Turgh said: Love the body design. Could the shape be shifted up the neck though? Looks like the headstock might have a fatal attraction to the floor, and that would really fook the tuners. It's only a rough sketch at this stage - I'll play around with it when I draw it out full scale - I could move the neck in a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlungerModerno Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) Sorry to hear you got kicked out of the band, 27" is gonna probably suit a baritone better than a bass, even a bass VI, unless you want the super-short kinda sound & feel. Why are you turning from the elegance of the 10 string to the awkward and messy 6 string arrangement? I think you should reconsider the understated simplicity of the BC Rich original: EDIT: I must add, there is no easier restringing than this, except possibly the patented "easy access" 12 string guitar headstocks from our dear friends at Rickenbacker. Spoiler "sapele body wings"? Sounds lovely... I would seriously suggest not painting it a solid colour, a tinted mint green might be extremely interesting on such a rich reddish brown... Those aren't anything like the blue/green you've on your mockup, but it's interesting, at least to me. Do as you please, but consider showing off that lovely sepele. Edited February 18, 2021 by PlungerModerno Edited for greater clarity and lols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted February 18, 2021 Author Share Posted February 18, 2021 It's very unlikely to be a solid colour - I much prefer stains, oils, etc to using any kind of paint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted October 17, 2021 Author Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) I've finally got back to work on the T-Type baritone. I'm using a mahogany body and a top which I've had lying around for a while - I think it's Golden Phoebe, which apparently is Chinese. These days I'd probably give a bit more thought to where my wood is coming from, but as I've got it already I should use it. Here's the body - much sanding and routing still to be done: The headstock has an offcut from the top as a veneer - looked pretty good freshly planed. Unfortunately that crack at the top left became pretty prominent. I might cover it with a nice truss rod cover, or just live with it: Further shaping: Some neck carving: Heel end: Volute - I might make it a bit pointier - we'll see. I could veneer over the back too to cover the scarf joint, but I don't really mind it Frets in - it turns out my strat scale notched straight edge fits the 27" board perfectly if you shift it along one fret! Edited October 17, 2021 by Rexel Matador 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Wow - the figuring on that body wood is quite something if the headstock plate is anything to go by.... You would have no idea just seeing it dry... Coming on nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I love that hypnotic top ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted October 19, 2021 Author Share Posted October 19, 2021 When the light hits it right... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Could you put a string guide over that headstock crack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulThePlug Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Think it will notice a whole load less, If at all when the strings are over it, especialy as they are the thicker ones... A TRC to cover would be HUGE! I'd go with leaving as-is till strung... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexel Matador Posted October 21, 2021 Author Share Posted October 21, 2021 It's annoying isn't it - I didn't see it until it was glued on. You're right - it will be less visible with the strings on, and yes, a truss rod cover over the whole thing would be massive. I definitely want a cover though. I didn't do a great job on the hole, so would rather it were hidden from view! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulThePlug Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) Love the volute... As for annoyance... sometimes if just makes you think different and end up finding uniqueness. Have you considered a simple (looking, not making!) plug for the truss rod hole... interferance fit, with a side-on volute-esq shape protuding tip for finger and thumb removal? maybe out the same wood as the fretboard or neck, or fashioned out of dowel, might make things simpler? Edited October 21, 2021 by PaulThePlug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andyjr1515 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rexel Matador said: It's annoying isn't it - I didn't see it until it was glued on. You're right - it will be less visible with the strings on, and yes, a truss rod cover over the whole thing would be massive. I definitely want a cover though. I didn't do a great job on the hole, so would rather it were hidden from view! Well - I play sax. And the golden rule with sax impro is that if you hit a bum note (quite a frequent occurrence in my case) is to play the bum note again and everyone just thinks it's jazz! So...what I would do if this was mine (because that line looks like it was meant to be there) is : - I'd slurry-and-wipe with true oil / finish to fill the crack with wood shavings sealed in finish - so it's just a colour difference rather than an actual split - then I'd get a sharp nail or scribe and a metal rule and I'd score an equal and opposite line the other side of the truss rod hole - then slurry-and-wipe that too Then wait and see if that design feature is copied on my other folks' designs - because I reckon it would look cool Just a thought... Edited October 21, 2021 by Andyjr1515 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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