alexa3020 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 With lockdown and generally having more time to practice, I have been trying to improve my speed and stamina (always a weak point for me), with the end goal of being able to play rhythm stick. my practice technique is running through c major 2nd finger position across all 4 strings, one note at a time &16th notes. I can do about a minute of this practice at 95bpm before I make an error. And I’m aiming to be able to do a minute before I up the tempo. in terms of rhythm stick I can play the verse comfortably at 85bpm for around a minute. So I have a way to go, seems the song is 105bpm. my question is am I doing the right things? And I wanted to get a feel from anyone that’s done something similar how long i can expect it to take to increase speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 The thing with RS isn't getting the speed and the notes right, it's the feel; the flow and phrasing of NWR's playing are superb. There's the risk in what you're doing that the end result, even if at speed and note perfect, might sound a little mechanical. Along with what you're doing, perhaps try playing along with short sections - perhaps 2-4 bars - of the track in real time, it won't improve your speed and stamina per se as well as the exercises you're using, it will however improve the musicality of the part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Go to YouTube and click on settings (one of the buttons on the bottom right corner), then click on playback speed, then click on 0.75. That will slow the song down from stupid fast to just fast. Keep playing along until it becomes easy, then put the speed back to normal. How long will it take? That's up to you. There were more than 10 takes when recording this and the story goes they sped it up after the track was laid down. Apparently even Norman Watt-Roy had trouble playing it after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pineweasel Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 It's a tough one. It took me several months to go from being able to play the whole song slowly to get up to speed, practising several times a week for 30 mins or so. I used a metronome and gradually increased the tempo. Usually I tried to play the whole song, occasionally repeating specific sections that were particularly troublesome. When you play the song you get some respite from the 16th notes at the chorus. Of course, the first time I played it live our drummer kicked it off even faster than the recording! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Beedster, I take your point about the feel. My thoughts are that I need to be able to move my fingers fast enough to play at that speed before concentrating on the feel. chris, I’ve done the 0.75 YouTube trick and it feels comfortable. Unfortunately there’s too much of a jump going to full speed which is why I am trying to build up to it. With a basic drum beat. Interesting that NWR struggled with it - makes me feel a bit better about my slow progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Pineweasel, sounds like you took a similar approach to me which is reassuring. you’re right about respite on chorus, which is why I’m trying to make sure I can do a minute. Can you imagine trying to do 4 mins of 16th notes at that speed. ha! thats drummers for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz66 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I wouldn't get too hung up on trying to do a minute or more of 16's at 95 or 105 bpm. It's great practice but realistically you probably only need 30 seconds of constant 16's before there'll be an 8th note or rest to give you a breather. I'd agree with just playing the actual line at a tempo you're comfortable with and then gradually increase the bpm. It's a better way to get the feel for it. There's a program called Transcribe that enables you to slow down tracks by whatever amount you like and you can then play along and over time work your speed up by small increments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Thanks for the tip Gaz, just downloaded the app. Looks like it work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickeyboro Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 If your fingers knot up after trying this bass line, fear not - you could very well be entitled to compensation for personal Ian Dury!😁 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexa3020 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 Ha! I tried a vulfpeck bassline the other day. Reckon I can report him for gbh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 it took me a good while to learn it, and if I don't play it regularly I need to practice it a lot to get it back up to scratch. Economy of motion works for me, so the intro's are played at first position, and the verses all at 8th position. As others have said, it's about nailing the groove, plus it helps to have a pretty great drummer to play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tut Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I've just been learning this and the thing that stood out for me is how important it is to suss the best right hand plucking technique for the various bits, especially the little Jaco-esque phrase that starts on the FB. I've set up a similar drum loop and just gradually upped the tempo until I can do 104 BPM. Stated Friday and I'm just about there but not quite clean enough yet to be satisfied! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus Posted May 10, 2022 Share Posted May 10, 2022 How harshly would ye judge a guy for playing HMWYRS with a capo on first fret? Asking for a friend... 🙄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'd take a look at Francis Rocco Prestia Finger Funk. It's on Youtube (about an hour long). His whole approach is relentless 16th note grooves for Tower of Power. As stated earlier, economy of movement is key to being able to maintain the sound and accuracy of what you're playing. There's plenty of Tower of Power stuff to practice on too if/when you get fed up with Rhythm Stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusoe Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Phaedrus said: How harshly would ye judge a guy for playing HMWYRS with a capo on first fret? Asking for a friend... 🙄 Please put your bass in its case, take it to the nearest music shop and leave it there. It will be rehoused with a loving owner. Thank you. 😄 Edited May 11, 2022 by Crusoe spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johncee Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Just wondering what fingering people use for the fill after the intro riff? The one that goes C- E flat1- F- A flat- Eflat 2? I find it easiest to stay in first position, and only go up for the high E flat. Tabs and you tubers all seem to go up to the lower E flat on the 6th fret of the A-string. What does Norman do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phaedrus Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 On 11/05/2022 at 10:12, Crusoe said: Please put your bass in its case, take it to the nearest music shop and leave it there. It will be rehoused with a loving owner. Thank you. 😄 OK. I'll let my friend know... 😗 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 On 23/05/2022 at 13:08, Johncee said: Just wondering what fingering people use for the fill after the intro riff? The one that goes C- E flat1- F- A flat- Eflat 2? I find it easiest to stay in first position, and only go up for the high E flat. Tabs and you tubers all seem to go up to the lower E flat on the 6th fret of the A-string. What does Norman do? Let's have a look... he seems to go straight to VI position. 15 seconds in is quite clear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johncee Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 (edited) On 25/05/2022 at 10:11, MacDaddy said: Let's have a look... he seems to go straight to VI position. 15 seconds in is quite clear. Nice one! I find this fill the hardest part of the whole line. Edited May 28, 2022 by Johncee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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