Bill Wy,Aye,Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, wateroftyne said: We’ve already established that it’s a s**tlist 🙂 It's ok, you can write stinky poo, I tried to write donkey on Word Association and it got changed to Donkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Riva Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 If John Cooper Clarke isn’t listed I shall have no other option than be forced to write an angry letter. Evidently chickens##t... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wy,Aye,Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said: It's ok, you can write stinky poo, I tried to write donkey on Word Association and it got changed to Donkey Hahahahaha! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wy,Aye,Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Wheres Lydon/Matlock? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 19 minutes ago, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said: Wheres Lydon/Matlock? Somewhere in the Peak District? 😛 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I can't face trawling through the entire list, so could someone with more patience than I have please tell me where Robert Hunter & JJ Cale are on the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearhart74 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 songwriting list without Randy Neuman, John Hiatt, Stevie Wonder, George and Ira Gershwin or Duke Ellington is fundamentally flawed.. as i expected. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wy,Aye,Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, FinnDave said: I can't face trawling through the entire list, so could someone with more patience than I have please tell me where Robert Hunter & JJ Cale are on the list? 203 and 795 respectively Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, bearhart74 said: songwriting list without Randy Neuman, John Hiatt, Stevie Wonder, George and Ira Gershwin or Duke Ellington is fundamentally flawed.. as i expected. If you gonna diss the list, at least make your diss accurate. Stevie Wonder 10 Randy Newman 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just now, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said: 203 and 795 respectively Could have guessed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Whilst I'm not an encyclopaedia of music/songwriting talent, I have been around a goodly while and I think I have had exposure to a very wide range of music throughout my life. A quick scan through and I hadn't heard of about 10% of them, whilst there are clearly some people missing. Lists eh, whatcha gonna do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 But....... but........ but they're not the same 100 I'd have chosen. Oooh I feel so outraged. [Flounces off to put the kettle on.] 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balcro Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Barking Spiders said: Of course it would have to be the US-centric, waste of paper / atoms in cyberspace that is Rolling Stone but their list of 100 greatest songwriters has Abba's Benny and Bjorn at 100, below many of whom are unfit to kiss their stacked shoes. Bacharach & David are at a lowly #32 when anyone knows they should be a shoo-in for top 5. And putting Lennon & MacCartney - as separate writers - below Dylan at #1! What?!! Here's the link .. https://www.rollingstone.com/interactive/lists-100-greatest-songwriters/ Guess who they've been listening to? Another way of "Making America Great Again !!" Edited July 7, 2020 by Balcro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, ezbass said: Whilst I'm not an encyclopaedia of music/songwriting talent, I have been around a goodly while and I think I have had exposure to a very wide range of music throughout my life. A quick scan through and I hadn't heard of about 10% of them, whilst there are clearly some people missing. Lists eh, whatcha gonna do? If there are only 10% you haven't heard of that surely makes the list quite good doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: If there are only 10% you haven't heard of that surely makes the list quite good doesn't it? Kinda. To my mind to be considered a great songwriter you'd ... a. have to be quite prolific - let's face it anyone can write a handful of good songs in a lifetime but to be pretty consistent over hundreds? b. write songs that aren't here today gone tomorrow, don't really date and which are timeless . Let's face it the vast majority of songs we're subjected to go in one ear and out the other or they quickly outstay their welcome after a few listens c. have melodies that are memorable and which anyone can whistle or sing along to. d. have written a good number of classic songs performed or covered by many other respected artists e. penned several songs that have become standards So, that would whittle that list right down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said: a. have to be quite prolific - let's face it anyone can write a handful of good songs in a lifetime but to be pretty consistent over hundreds? b. write songs that aren't here today gone tomorrow, don't really date and which are timeless . That would mean that you couldn't be a good songwriter for quite some time, even if you were writing fantastic songs, because there is no way of deciding if they dated. And what sort of timeline? 1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said: c. have melodies that are memorable and which anyone can whistle or sing along to. Like 'Get knocked down' by chumbawumba? Or 'Boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers? 1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said: d. have written a good number of classic songs performed or covered by many other respected artists So someone like kate bush would be a terrible songwriter as not many of her songs have been covered. Or Peter Gabriel / Phil Collins etc. 1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said: e. penned several songs that have become standards OK, so Mustang sally would be good songwriting, but Sledgehammer would be bad? I don't know, it all seems subjective to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Wy,Aye,Man Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I hope Carly Simon isnt on there, purely for coming up with the line "Your scarf it was Ap Ri Cot" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Maude said: But....... but........ but they're not the same 100 I'd have chosen. Oooh I feel so outraged. [Flounces off to put the kettle on.] Oh, is 'he' not on the list then? 😬 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassace Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I have a feeling that if Mumsnet had compiled it, it would have been a different list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Woodinblack said: That would mean that you couldn't be a good songwriter for quite some time, even if you were writing fantastic songs, because there is no way of deciding if they dated. And what sort of timeline? Like 'Get knocked down' by chumbawumba? Or 'Boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers? So someone like kate bush would be a terrible songwriter as not many of her songs have been covered. Or Peter Gabriel / Phil Collins etc. OK, so Mustang sally would be good songwriting, but Sledgehammer would be bad? I don't know, it all seems subjective to me. Nope, to be considered one of the greats you'd probably need to meet all 5 requirements. And yes, time probably is the big test. How long? well certainly a good few years after a writer has passed on or retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ricky 4000 said: Oh, is 'he' not on the list then? 😬 😄 Ha ha 😁 Oi Oi Bazzaaaaaaah!! 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, Maude said: Ha ha 😁 Oi Oi Bazzaaaaaaah!! 😆 31 studio albums, 6 live albums, 17 compilation albums, and 57 singles. To date, he has sold more than 80 million records worldwide, making him one of the best selling recording artists of all time. Shame on that list! 😌 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 But it's all about that one song Rico, I mean Ricky 😉. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky 4000 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Maude said: But it's all about that one song Rico, I mean Ricky 😉. And what a song... 🤦♀️ 😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Dad3353 said: So why do you buy it, you stupid old so-and-so..? ... I ceased buying Rolling Stone in 1982 after an egregiously breathless editorial which opined that the band A Flock Of Seagulls were the future of rock 'n' roll. Not long after I commenced a guerrilla campaign against the magazine and its ownership which continues to this day. The high point of my initiative was the covert introduction of catering-strength chilli powder into Mr Jann Wenner's underpants immediately prior to the 2010 Emmy Awards whereat he was a nominee for an award. The camera dallied only briefly at Mr Wenner's table but even this short glimpse was enough to reveal the excruciating agony on his face as the fiery capsaicinoids interacted with his nobbies. Rolling Stone Founder Jann Wenner Ah, you say, but Jann Wenner no longer owns Rolling Stone, having sold it to media tycoon Mr Jay Penske. Me, bothered? Is it not enough that Wenner birthed the Frankenstein monster that tore the limbs from rock music, added wheels and turned the form into a hostess trolley designed to ferry around his progressive notions as if they were cucumber sandwiches and butterfly cakes at an old biddies' tea party? But, you cry, why has not the Stone's new owner Mr Jay Penske become the focus of your white-hot though entirely justified animus? Well, hasn't he, I counter, a sly smile playing about my lips. What of the recent incident when a wheel mysteriously came off little Jay's electric golf cart and caused a high-speed accident on the links which nearly wiped out not only Mr Penske but his tee partners Pres. B. Obama, Sec. M. Albright and Mr Jay Leno? The fight goes on. Edited July 7, 2020 by skankdelvar 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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