I've seen some rubbish lists in my time but this takes the biscuit

[Bill Wy,Aye,Man]

1 minute ago, wateroftyne said:

We’ve already established that it’s a s**tlist 🙂

It's ok, you can write stinky poo, I tried to write donkey on Word Association and it got changed to Donkey

[Old Man Riva]

If John Cooper Clarke isn’t listed I shall have no other option than be forced to write an angry letter. 

Evidently chickens##t... 

[Bill Wy,Aye,Man]

1 minute ago, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said:

It's ok, you can write stinky poo, I tried to write donkey on Word Association and it got changed to Donkey

Hahahahaha!

[Bill Wy,Aye,Man]

Wheres Lydon/Matlock?

[BreadBin]

19 minutes ago, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said:

Wheres Lydon/Matlock?

Somewhere in the Peak District? 😛

[FinnDave]

I can't face trawling through the entire list, so could someone with more patience than I have please tell me where Robert Hunter & JJ Cale are on the list?

[bearhart74]

songwriting list without Randy Neuman, John Hiatt, Stevie Wonder, George and Ira Gershwin or Duke Ellington is fundamentally flawed.. as i expected.

[Bill Wy,Aye,Man]

13 minutes ago, FinnDave said:

I can't face trawling through the entire list, so could someone with more patience than I have please tell me where Robert Hunter & JJ Cale are on the list?

203 and 795 respectively

[EBS_freak]

4 minutes ago, bearhart74 said:

songwriting list without Randy Neuman, John Hiatt, Stevie Wonder, George and Ira Gershwin or Duke Ellington is fundamentally flawed.. as i expected.

If you gonna diss the list, at least make your diss accurate.

Stevie Wonder 10

Randy Newman 25

 

[FinnDave]

Just now, Bill Wy,Aye,Man said:

203 and 795 respectively

Could have guessed!

[ezbass]

Whilst I'm not an encyclopaedia of music/songwriting talent, I have been around a goodly while and I think I have had exposure to a very wide range of music throughout my life. A quick scan through and I hadn't heard of about 10% of them, whilst there are clearly some people missing. Lists eh, whatcha gonna do?

[Maude]

But....... but........ but they're not the same 100 I'd have chosen. 

Oooh I feel so outraged. 

[Flounces off to put the kettle on.] 

[Balcro]

15 hours ago, Barking Spiders said:

Of course it would have to be the US-centric, waste of paper / atoms in cyberspace that is Rolling Stone but their list of 100 greatest songwriters has Abba's Benny and Bjorn at 100, below many of whom are unfit to kiss their stacked shoes.  Bacharach & David are at a lowly #32 when anyone knows they should be a shoo-in for top 5. And putting Lennon & MacCartney  - as separate writers - below Dylan at #1!  What?!! Here's the link ..

https://www.rollingstone.com/interactive/lists-100-greatest-songwriters/

 

Guess who they've been listening to?  Another way of "Making America Great Again !!"  

Edited July 7, 2020 by Balcro

[Woodinblack]

4 minutes ago, ezbass said:

Whilst I'm not an encyclopaedia of music/songwriting talent, I have been around a goodly while and I think I have had exposure to a very wide range of music throughout my life. A quick scan through and I hadn't heard of about 10% of them, whilst there are clearly some people missing. Lists eh, whatcha gonna do?

If there are only 10% you haven't heard of that surely makes the list quite good doesn't it?

[Barking Spiders]

18 minutes ago, Woodinblack said:

If there are only 10% you haven't heard of that surely makes the list quite good doesn't it?

Kinda. To my mind to be considered a great songwriter you'd ...

a. have to be quite prolific - let's face it anyone can write a handful of good songs in a lifetime but to be pretty consistent over hundreds?

b. write songs that aren't here today gone tomorrow, don't really date and which are timeless . Let's face it the vast majority of songs we're subjected to go in one ear and out the other or they quickly outstay their welcome after a few listens

c. have melodies that are memorable and which anyone can whistle or sing along to. 

d. have written a good number of classic songs performed or covered by many other respected artists

e. penned several songs that have become standards 

So, that would whittle that list right down 

[Woodinblack]

1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said:

a. have to be quite prolific - let's face it anyone can write a handful of good songs in a lifetime but to be pretty consistent over hundreds?

b. write songs that aren't here today gone tomorrow, don't really date and which are timeless .

That would mean that you couldn't be a good songwriter for quite some time, even if you were writing fantastic songs, because there is no way of deciding if they dated. And what sort of timeline?

1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said:

c. have melodies that are memorable and which anyone can whistle or sing along to. 

Like 'Get knocked down' by chumbawumba? Or 'Boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers?

1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said:

d. have written a good number of classic songs performed or covered by many other respected artists

So someone like kate bush would be a terrible songwriter as not many of her songs have been covered. Or Peter Gabriel / Phil Collins  etc.

1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said:

e. penned several songs that have become standards

OK, so Mustang sally would be good songwriting, but Sledgehammer would be bad?

I don't know, it all seems subjective to me.

 

[Bill Wy,Aye,Man]

I hope Carly Simon isnt on there, purely for coming up with the line

"Your scarf it was Ap Ri Cot"

[Ricky 4000]

3 hours ago, Maude said:

But....... but........ but they're not the same 100 I'd have chosen. 

Oooh I feel so outraged. 

[Flounces off to put the kettle on.] 

Oh, is 'he' not on the list then? 😬

 

 

😄

[bassace]

I have a feeling that if Mumsnet had compiled it, it would have been a different list.

[Barking Spiders]

1 hour ago, Woodinblack said:

That would mean that you couldn't be a good songwriter for quite some time, even if you were writing fantastic songs, because there is no way of deciding if they dated. And what sort of timeline?

Like 'Get knocked down' by chumbawumba? Or 'Boom boom boom' by the outhere brothers?

So someone like kate bush would be a terrible songwriter as not many of her songs have been covered. Or Peter Gabriel / Phil Collins  etc.

OK, so Mustang sally would be good songwriting, but Sledgehammer would be bad?

I don't know, it all seems subjective to me.

 

Nope, to be considered one of the greats you'd probably need to meet all 5 requirements. And yes, time probably is the big test. How long? well certainly a good few years after a writer has passed on or retired. 

[Maude]

1 hour ago, Ricky 4000 said:

Oh, is 'he' not on the list then? 😬

 

 

😄

Ha ha 😁

 

Oi Oi Bazzaaaaaaah!! 😆

[Ricky 4000]

10 minutes ago, Maude said:

Ha ha 😁

 

Oi Oi Bazzaaaaaaah!! 😆

 31 studio albums, 6 live albums, 17 compilation albums, and 57 singles.

To date, he has sold more than 80 million records worldwide, making him one of the best selling recording artists of all time.

Shame on that list! 😌

[Maude]

But it's all about that one song Rico, I mean Ricky 😉. 

[Ricky 4000]

2 minutes ago, Maude said:

But it's all about that one song Rico, I mean Ricky 😉. 

And what a song...

 

 

🤦‍♀️ 😄

[skankdelvar]

15 hours ago, Dad3353 said:

So why do you buy it, you stupid old so-and-so..? 

...

I ceased buying Rolling Stone in 1982 after an egregiously breathless editorial which opined that the band A Flock Of Seagulls were the future of rock 'n' roll. Not long after I commenced a guerrilla campaign against the magazine and its ownership which continues to this day.

The high point of my initiative was the covert introduction of catering-strength chilli powder into Mr Jann Wenner's underpants immediately prior to the 2010 Emmy Awards whereat he was a nominee for an award. The camera dallied only briefly at Mr Wenner's table but even this short glimpse was enough to reveal the excruciating agony on his face as the fiery capsaicinoids interacted with his nobbies. 

Rolling Stone Founder Jann Wenner

Ah, you say, but Jann Wenner no longer owns Rolling Stone, having sold it to media tycoon Mr Jay Penske.

Me, bothered? Is it not enough that Wenner birthed the Frankenstein monster that tore the limbs from rock music, added wheels and turned the form into a hostess trolley designed to ferry around his progressive notions as if they were cucumber sandwiches and butterfly cakes at an old biddies' tea party?

But, you cry, why has not the Stone's new owner Mr Jay Penske become the focus of your white-hot though entirely justified animus?

Well, hasn't he, I counter, a sly smile playing about my lips.

What of the recent incident when a wheel mysteriously came off little Jay's electric golf cart and caused a high-speed accident on the links which nearly wiped out not only Mr Penske but his tee partners Pres. B. Obama, Sec. M. Albright and Mr Jay Leno?

The fight goes on.
 

Edited July 7, 2020 by skankdelvar