Painy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Just spotted a link on Facebook to this new website. Effectively a kind of raffle for bass guitars - buy numbers to enter a draw with the chance to win one. https://thebassdraw.co.uk/ The chance to win a nice bass from an outlay of just a few quid sounds great but without knowing how trustworthy they are (or indeed whether they are complying with the relevant gambling laws - especially given that paragraph 2.3 of their Ts&Cs states "" The Bass Draw will not be held responsible for any entrant entering any of our competitions unlawfully"), I think I'd be a touch dubious. Edited July 7, 2020 by Painy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) I can't remember all the details and terminology but the addition of that question to be answered changes it from a raffle or lottery to a competition, or something like that, and the laws governing it change. I don't know how that affects this and I appear to be waffling now. 🙂 Edited July 7, 2020 by Maude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 It's a "prize competition". https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/for-the-public/Fundraising-and-promotions/Commercial-schemes/Prize-competitions.aspx If you have any doubts whatsoever about trustworthiness, why not instead use a big-name online casino and stick £5 on the roulette wheel; keep going until you lose, or you have won enough to buy a bass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just looked at the site. This is an insane idea and a guaranteed loser. At least when you buy a Lottery ticket (don't, please don't) you know how ridiculously the odds are stacked up against you, and you know the whole thing is legit and closely monitored by official watchdogs. This is a Facebook scam. You know next to nothing about the organisation behind it, or how many entries (more accurately according their homepage, "entires") there will be from how many people in how many countries. Above all, you have absolutely no idea whether or not there ever actually was a 'Draw' or whether or not it was rigged. (Hint: It was rigged.] Best of all, there's a "skill-based question". I didn't bother to look at what it might be, but I'll bet you anything that it involves a value judgement, which means that 'the answer' is whatever is most convenient to the shadows behind this scam. Walk away. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Just pay using PayPal and claim your money back if you don't win. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painy Posted July 7, 2020 Author Share Posted July 7, 2020 18 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Just looked at the site. This is an insane idea and a guaranteed loser. At least when you buy a Lottery ticket (don't, please don't) you know how ridiculously the odds are stacked up against you, and you know the whole thing is legit and closely monitored by official watchdogs. This is a Facebook scam. You know next to nothing about the organisation behind it, or how many entries (more accurately according their homepage, "entires") there will be from how many people in how many countries. Above all, you have absolutely no idea whether or not there ever actually was a 'Draw' or whether or not it was rigged. (Hint: It was rigged.] Best of all, there's a "skill-based question". I didn't bother to look at what it might be, but I'll bet you anything that it involves a value judgement, which means that 'the answer' is whatever is most convenient to the shadows behind this scam. Walk away. This was pretty much my thought on the matter. Don't worry, I had no plans to have a punt - when I say slightly dubious, I mean suspicious as #@£&! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiram.k.hackenbacker Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 I'm sure we've been here before with a similar 'raffle'. Didn't end well as I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamg67 Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Wow. People really are stoopid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 If something seems to good to be true it almost always is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 " At least when you buy a Lottery ticket (don't, please don't) you know how ridiculously the odds are stacked up against you, and you know the whole thing is legit and closely monitored by official watchdogs." Don't tell my Dad that. He won a substantial amount of money and so I have no mortgage....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Wouldn't be surprised if the 'organiser' is a member here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 They literally say it's rigged right here... if it said "our fixed odds competitions" then fine, but it says "our fixed odd competitions" which is essentially another way of saying "our rigged strange competitions" 100% swerve this!! Our fixed odd competitions give you the chance to win 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Muppet said: Wouldn't be surprised if the 'organiser' is a member here... Erm ...why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubit Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, phil.c60 said: Don't tell my Dad that. He won a substantial amount of money and so I have no mortgage....... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 hour ago, phil.c60 said: " At least when you buy a Lottery ticket (don't, please don't) you know how ridiculously the odds are stacked up against you, and you know the whole thing is legit and closely monitored by official watchdogs." Don't tell my Dad that. He won a substantial amount of money and so I have no mortgage....... Somebody wins it pretty much every time. That's because "the whole thing is legit and closely monitored by official watchdogs." As to the odds, I'll just leave this here: The chance of winning the National Lottery jackpot is 1 in 45,057,474, according to the Lotto website, while there is a 1 in 7,509,579 chance of getting five numbers plus the bonus ball. To win the Euromillions jackpot there is a one in 1 in 139,838,160 of all your numbers being drawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binky_bass Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 You have a 1 in 205,552 chance of dying in a plane crash, so you are roughly 700 times more likely to die in a plane crash than you are of winning the Euromillions. Think about that next time you by a lottery ticket at the airport! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Whoever it is at least has a UK address: 3.8 To enter the competition by post, send your: Name, address, DOB, contact phone number, email address, exact name of the competition / draw you wish to enter for, the correct answer for the named competition’s skill based challenge, addressed to: The Bass Draw, 7 Poplars Road, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, MK18 1BQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I've been seeing loads of these on Facebook. They call it a raffle, often say they donate some proceeds to charity, but it all seems entirely unregulated to me. A mate of mine kept bidding on stuff and was trying to persuade me to bid on a huge computer screen. Then his sister started holding these "raffles" for random electrical items. He kept inviting me to bid. I asked if he'd ever "won" anything from any of these raffles. He had, but only the one his sister ran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) Don't think it is a scam and for a couple of £ it's your choice if you enter. Obviously we don't know how many tickets they are selling for each draw but probably better odds than the lottery, although the prize is much smaller. The question for the Ibby is 'what is the standard tuning for a 5 string bass' and it gives 3 options so someone has done a little homework. The 'about us' says it's run by a Pro Bass player( who's probably seen all his bookings evaporate ) and has come up with this income generating idea. One can only assume he has looked into the legitamacy of it all? Just revisiting it, it appears the photos are in the same background so they will be his own Basses he is selling and has come up with this way of doing it? Edited July 8, 2020 by yorks5stringer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppet Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Erm ...why? 8 minutes ago, wateroftyne said: Whoever it is at least has a UK address: 3.8 To enter the competition by post, send your: Name, address, DOB, contact phone number, email address, exact name of the competition / draw you wish to enter for, the correct answer for the named competition’s skill based challenge, addressed to: The Bass Draw, 7 Poplars Road, Buckingham, Buckinghamshire, MK18 1BQ. It feels to me that this is more a really naive and clumsy way of trying to shift some bass gear rather than a focused scam - looking on facebook thy are talking about Barefaced cabs, Markbass amps etc. There is some degree of bass knowledge and given the reach of Basschat it wouldn't surprise me. Obviously all that in itself could be scam/stolen photos, info etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Poplars Road in Buckingham does seem an odd place for a Nigerian Prince's palace ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, cheddatom said: He kept inviting me to bid. I asked if he'd ever "won" anything from any of these raffles. He had, but only the one his sister ran. Well there's your problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, Muppet said: It feels to me that this is more a really naive and clumsy way of trying to shift some bass gear rather than a focused scam Yep, that's my take on it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Is it Glovy P-Bass Man new attempt to win truck loads of money ? 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 It might be legit, it might not, but I wouldn’t be comfortable giving them my details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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