scalpy Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Paranoid Android Live and Let Die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 15 minutes ago, Mykesbass said: How does that work? Psuedo-intellectual bollox, if you ask me But I managed to find this: On a final note, a bar of 4/4, 5/5, 6/6, 7/7, 8/8, 9/9, 145456/145456 all have the same duration - one whole note, one semibreve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz39 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Starless - 13/4 and 13/8. Carve Away the Stone - Rush - it has 3/4, 4/4. 5/4, 6/4 and 7/4 in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, MacDaddy said: Not seeing any examples of non-standard. Any time signature with a bottom number of 2, 4, or 8 is pretty standard So here's an example which has a section in 5/5 Which section is in 5/5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Slayer - Black Magic. Has some cheeky 5/4 bars thrown in here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Golden Brown, 13/4 - as is Turn It On Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musical_works_in_unusual_time_signatures Includes sections for fractional and irrational time sigs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 There's a fair bit of Frank Zappa's long catalogue that has all sorts of oddness grafted in. As an opening sampler, a listen to 'Sheik Yerbouti' should awaken any drummer's interest, I'd say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merton Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I was in a band at university and we wrote a song that was sort of in 9/8. I say sort of, it actually caused the drummer and guitarist to get into a massive fight one night in the pub over whether it could strictly be called 9/8 or not because in music theory 9/8 is supposedly three groups of 3 quavers each. Our song was more like a bar of 3/4 then a bar of 3/8. I didn't really care so carried on drinking my beer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, Merton said: I was in a band at university and we wrote a song that was sort of in 9/8. I say sort of, it actually caused the drummer and guitarist to get into a massive fight one night in the pub over whether it could strictly be called 9/8 or not because in music theory 9/8 is supposedly three groups of 3 quavers each. Our song was more like a bar of 3/4 then a bar of 3/8. I didn't really care so carried on drinking my beer. To me (a drummer...), 9/8 doesn't impose any grouping per se, but it could well be written that way, and often is. It could also be simply un-accented 9 beats, with no inherent grouping at all and would still be 9/8. It is often more 'readable' to write each part in its own time signature, though, and have alternating bars of 3/4 and 3/8 in the example you give. Some would write as 4/4-5/4, too, instead of 9/4; the difference really is in the intention of the composer rather than any strict 'theory' or 'rules'. I'll have a lait-fraise if you're buying... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Soup Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 53 minutes ago, toneknob said: Golden Brown, 13/4 - as is Turn It On Again Before Golden Brown, the Stranglers had another, lesser known, song in 13/4 - "Peasant in the Big $h1tty" (I think it's 13/4 anyway) The whole song is pretty weird, not just the time sig... and it is sung by the recently departed Dave Greenfield. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, jrixn1 said: Which section is in 5/5? Bu993r3d if I know! 😆 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobthedog Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Not sure you would count it as rock but pretty much anything by Tool where Justin Chancellor had the idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickJ Posted July 9, 2020 Author Share Posted July 9, 2020 11 hours ago, chris_b said: If you can work out what time signatures are being played in this number you're doing better than me. . . . . . If - Fibonacci's Number https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18jk2oRkyPc I really liked that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Dad3353 said: To me (a drummer...), 9/8 doesn't impose any grouping per se, but it could well be written that way, and often is. It could also be simply un-accented 9 beats, with no inherent grouping at all and would still be 9/8. It is often more 'readable' to write each part in its own time signature, though, and have alternating bars of 3/4 and 3/8 in the example you give. Some would write as 4/4-5/4, too, instead of 9/4; the difference really is in the intention of the composer rather than any strict 'theory' or 'rules'. I'll have a lait-fraise if you're buying... To me, 9/8 can be interpreted in 2 ways: either as compound 3 time (3 divisions per beat, 3 beats per bar) - which could also be described as swingtime 3 time. Or as a possibly further defined additive thing eg 2+2+2+3. I've only performed one song in 9/8 (Never Loved a Man) and its clearly 3x3 divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 2 hours ago, MacDaddy said: Psuedo-intellectual bollox, if you ask me But I managed to find this: On a final note, a bar of 4/4, 5/5, 6/6, 7/7, 8/8, 9/9, 145456/145456 all have the same duration - one whole note, one semibreve. Glad you said that 😄 Oh and 5/5 would be a semibreve and a crochet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) How about Genesys 'Watcher Of The Skies'..? The time signature jumps about a fair bit; one would have trouble nailing it down to any 'simple' signature... (The stick twirling is optional ...) Edited July 9, 2020 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mykesbass said: Glad you said that 😄 Oh and 5/5 would be a semibreve and a crochet. Nope, anything which is n/n will be a semibreve. Think about it.....2/2 4/4 and 8/8 would be. 5/4 would be a semibreve + crotchet in length though. I do agree that these "irrational time signatures" are basically a load of Balaerics, though. They are simply a different way of writing the same thing, and no clearer either, in the process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 (edited) Any drummer getting bored with 'four on the floor' could do worse than having a look at Zappa's 'Black Page' (1 & 2...). Ably demonstrated here, it's all written, to be played as written. The title 'Black Page' comes from the graphic appearance of the drum score... Edited July 9, 2020 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Love raises its ugly head - Living Colour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I'd been playing Rush's 'Limelight' on and off in bands for a decade, completely oblivious to its time signatures before some biff buttonholed me at a gig to waffle on about the mastery of the interplay between 4/4, 7/4 and 6/4, and how tricky it must be to switch between them. I said 'I dunno, it's just a good song.' 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz39 Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Muzz said: I'd been playing Rush's 'Limelight' on and off in bands for a decade, completely oblivious to its time signatures before some biff buttonholed me at a gig to waffle on about the mastery of the interplay between 4/4, 7/4 and 6/4, and how tricky it must be to switch between them. I said 'I dunno, it's just a good song.' That's the skill of bands like Rush and Dream Theater - to play what sounds like 'just a good song' and yet it's complex if you really listen to it. Disappear - Dream Theater Tiberius - Smashing Pumpkins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 32 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: How about Genesys 'Watcher Of The Skies'..? The time signature jumps about a fair bit; one would have trouble nailing it down to any 'simple' signature... As Genesis songs go, it's pretty straight. The Cinema Show has a 7/8 instruemtnal coda; the instrumental of Robbery Assault and Battery is 13/8, Apocalypse in 9/8 is just that (actually 9/4 but never mind) and the Firth of Fifth intro has every time sig under the sun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Daz39 said: That's the skill of bands like Rush and Dream Theater - to play what sounds like 'just a good song' and yet it's complex if you really listen to it. Disappear - Dream Theater Tiberius - Smashing Pumpkins Rush play in 7 like it's their 4/4. Check our DT's Erotomania for some mopre chewy times - I like the alternating 11/8 and 10/8 sections. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Cloud Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 'Old Man and The Angel' by It Bites. Always an eye opener when bassists attempt to play 'Simple' Richard Nolan bass parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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