thodrik Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I am lucky enough own a Sadowsky NYC, a Sadowsky Metro and a Vigier Arpege. I think they there are really great and they have resulted in me being generally GAS free for basses over the last 5 years. However when cleaning them today I started to wonder whether my basses would pass the QC standards of some of the more discerning members on here if they had received my basses from new. In functional terms all three basses are pretty much perfect (for me). However, I have taken a photo of a cosmetic construction/finishing ‘issue’ from each bass. Sadowsky NYC: imperfection in quilted maple top which you can only spot if you look at it really close up from less than a foot away. Sadowsky Metro: strange irregular wood grain pattern or tooling mark (which I personally think looks cool but it could really bother someone else): Vigier Arpege: if you look really closely, you can see that a bit of the finish seems to have bled into the fret marker. This occurs on the third, ninth and a little bit on one of the twelfth fret markers: Obviously the issues are purely cosmetic and have never bothered me. To me they are not so much flaws as much as they are unique identification markers to enable me to pick out ‘my’ bass from identically finished Sadowskys or Vigiers. However, I’m conscious that to others these issues would be seen as flaws which should not appear on such ‘high end’ instruments which should be ‘perfect’. I don’t want this to come across as a thread to insult people who have had serious faults and problems with high end instruments which is obviously a horrible situation to go through. Nor do I want this thread to be a ‘bash [insert company]’ type thread. However, I was wondering if anyone else felt like sharing any interesting finishing quirks/cosmetic issues on their own basses which do not bother them but may bother someone else? Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Uh oh 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 25 minutes ago, Beedster said: Uh oh I must admit, the thought ‘this is a really bad idea’ did run through my head before I posted! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Luc Pickguard Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 My most expensive bass, an NS-Design CR5M upright was flawless when I bought it and is still perfect 14 years on. My second most expensive bass, a Fender JMJ mustang cost nearly a grand and there are chips & scrapes all over the body. It was bought brand new, but to a casual observer it looks like it could be over 40 years old - it almost looks like the damage was done deliberately 😠 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 The main flaws on my basses are the notes I play. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 My sadowsky is just like Mary Poppins. Apart from the dink caused by one of the kids knocking something over which fell onto it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyJ Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 10 hours ago, AndyTravis said: My sadowsky is just like Mary Poppins. Apart from the dink caused by one of the kids knocking something over which fell onto it. Why? Is it supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, LeftyJ said: Why? Is it supercalifragilisticexpialidocious, even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_S Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Go on then, I’ll play. Only in the spirit of fun, though; I drew a line under this years ago, so no pointing any fingers, please 🙂 The neck pocket isn’t flat to the back of the neck and it’s also slightly too wide leaving a ridge, there are strange little oblong marks around the edges of the block inlays, the pickguard curves aren’t smooth and the chamfer angle and finish is.. variable, the battery cover corners are a different radius to the route and quite crudely finished, there are areas of orange-peel where the poly didn’t get buffed fully to gloss, and a bird’s eye has fallen out of the back of the neck to leave a hole. High-end custom builds, eh! 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bassman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 18:13, thodrik said: I am lucky enough own a Sadowsky NYC, a Sadowsky Metro and a Vigier Arpege. I think they there are really great and they have resulted in me being generally GAS free for basses over the last 5 years. However when cleaning them today I started to wonder whether my basses would pass the QC standards of some of the more discerning members on here if they had received my basses from new. In functional terms all three basses are pretty much perfect (for me). However, I have taken a photo of a cosmetic construction/finishing ‘issue’ from each bass. Sadowsky NYC: imperfection in quilted maple top which you can only spot if you look at it really close up from less than a foot away. Sadowsky Metro: strange irregular wood grain pattern or tooling mark (which I personally think looks cool but it could really bother someone else): Vigier Arpege: if you look really closely, you can see that a bit of the finish seems to have bled into the fret marker. This occurs on the third, ninth and a little bit on one of the twelfth fret markers: Obviously the issues are purely cosmetic and have never bothered me. To me they are not so much flaws as much as they are unique identification markers to enable me to pick out ‘my’ bass from identically finished Sadowskys or Vigiers. However, I’m conscious that to others these issues would be seen as flaws which should not appear on such ‘high end’ instruments which should be ‘perfect’. I don’t want this to come across as a thread to insult people who have had serious faults and problems with high end instruments which is obviously a horrible situation to go through. Nor do I want this thread to be a ‘bash [insert company]’ type thread. However, I was wondering if anyone else felt like sharing any interesting finishing quirks/cosmetic issues on their own basses which do not bother them but may bother someone else? Thanks in advance. Glad to see you’re still in love with the Vigier after all these years! It’s a truly wonderful piece of kit and one I was really sad to part with. I replaced it with a Stingray 5 HH purely for more practical purposes to suit the band I’m in. I had noticed those tiny bleed marks and, like you, just passed them off as unique quirks of a boutique instrument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misdee Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 25/07/2020 at 18:13, thodrik said: I am lucky enough own a Sadowsky NYC, a Sadowsky Metro and a Vigier Arpege. I think they there are really great and they have resulted in me being generally GAS free for basses over the last 5 years. However when cleaning them today I started to wonder whether my basses would pass the QC standards of some of the more discerning members on here if they had received my basses from new. In functional terms all three basses are pretty much perfect (for me). However, I have taken a photo of a cosmetic construction/finishing ‘issue’ from each bass. Sadowsky NYC: imperfection in quilted maple top which you can only spot if you look at it really close up from less than a foot away. Sadowsky Metro: strange irregular wood grain pattern or tooling mark (which I personally think looks cool but it could really bother someone else): Vigier Arpege: if you look really closely, you can see that a bit of the finish seems to have bled into the fret marker. This occurs on the third, ninth and a little bit on one of the twelfth fret markers: Obviously the issues are purely cosmetic and have never bothered me. To me they are not so much flaws as much as they are unique identification markers to enable me to pick out ‘my’ bass from identically finished Sadowskys or Vigiers. However, I’m conscious that to others these issues would be seen as flaws which should not appear on such ‘high end’ instruments which should be ‘perfect’. I don’t want this to come across as a thread to insult people who have had serious faults and problems with high end instruments which is obviously a horrible situation to go through. Nor do I want this thread to be a ‘bash [insert company]’ type thread. However, I was wondering if anyone else felt like sharing any interesting finishing quirks/cosmetic issues on their own basses which do not bother them but may bother someone else? Thanks in advance. That last "flaw" looks to me very much like a genuine piece of abalone, rather than a defect of any kind. That pinkish vein is the natural patina of genuine mother of pearl, so a mark of quality not a defect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, Captain Bassman said: Glad to see you’re still in love with the Vigier after all these years! It’s a truly wonderful piece of kit and one I was really sad to part with. I replaced it with a Stingray 5 HH purely for more practical purposes to suit the band I’m in. I had noticed those tiny bleed marks and, like you, just passed them off as unique quirks of a boutique instrument. Oh yes, still in love. I have had a four string Excess since 2004 but the Arpege is very much a different type of bass. The three band EQ for each pick is really great once I got hang of it after five years or so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Misdee said: That last "flaw" looks to me very much like a genuine piece of abalone, rather than a defect of any kind. That pinkish vein is the natural patina of genuine mother of pearl, so a mark of quality not a defect. Most likely true! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, Captain Bassman said: Glad to see you’re still in love with the Vigier after all these years! It’s a truly wonderful piece of kit and one I was really sad to part with. I replaced it with a Stingray 5 HH purely for more practical purposes to suit the band I’m in. I had noticed those tiny bleed marks and, like you, just passed them off as unique quirks of a boutique instrument. Also how is the Stingray HH in comparison? I always thought that they looked really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bassman Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Well for what I need it for, much simpler! I just set everything pretty much flat, set the 5 way selector switch in the middle position and that’s it, unless I need a more plummy tone in which case the selector goes to full neck position. Loved the neck on that Arpege though. One it the most comfortable I’ve ever played. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 I once sold a bass (high end for the brand) to a buyer - no names, no pack drill. As I am wont to do, I met up with the buyer to hand the bass over to give the buyer the opportunity to view the bass to ensure there were no issues. The buyer was able to examine the bass in good light in a car park and declared themselves happy. This was a used bass btw and had been gigged. I described it in excellent condition for its age which I felt was entirely reasonable (please check my feedback you non-believers ). A few days later I received a message saying that the buyer was unhappy as there were imperfections in the finish, which there were, and was why I did not describe the condition of the bass as 'mint' or 'like new'. Clearly nothing I could say would change the buyers perspective so I just bought the bass back. People's standards are different I guess so we just have to be mindful about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machines Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 21 hours ago, ead said: A few days later I received a message saying that the buyer was unhappy as there were imperfections in the finish, which there were, and was why I did not describe the condition of the bass as 'mint' or 'like new'. Clearly nothing I could say would change the buyers perspective so I just bought the bass back. Sounds more like buyer's remorse to me. Legally they had no leg to stand on if it was inspected before collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Machines said: Sounds more like buyer's remorse to me. Legally they had no leg to stand on if it was inspected before collection. True enough, but there are a lot of grumpy people in the world and it makes little sense to add to their number. Sold the bass again a week or so later so no real drama. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfinger Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 You're very generous Ead. I've have told them to jog on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorG Posted August 1, 2020 Share Posted August 1, 2020 (edited) A little tricky to see and I don't begrudge it as it's a common fault. Beyond that the instrument's faultless. Edited August 1, 2020 by TrevorG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted August 1, 2020 Author Share Posted August 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, TrevorG said: A little tricky to see and I doubt begrudge it as it's a common fault. Beyond that the instrument's faultless. Thanks for sharing. I’ve seen a lot worse! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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