Velarian Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 An interesting bass coming up for auction at Gardiner Houlgate 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 8 hours ago, Velarian said: An interesting bass coming up for auction at Gardiner Houlgate Thanks for that, I’ll be watching for that one, I think the provenance may take the price way too high for me but should be interesting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Reggaebass said: Thanks for that, I’ll be watching for that one, I think the provenance may take the price way too high for me but should be interesting Yes the story may affect the price but, so far, it is unproven and I wouldn’t want to put too much emphasis on that. I would like to think it will attract a price that is commensurate with a standard bass of that period. An interesting one to watch for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowf Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Might be worth more if someone could prove it was a bass John Entwhistle HADN'T owned at some point. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 44 minutes ago, mowf said: Might be worth more if someone could prove it was a bass John Entwhistle HADN'T owned at some point. It makes no difference to me ,but wouldn’t a Entwhistle fan pay more for it which would up the bidding price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 48 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: It makes no difference to me ,but wouldn’t a Entwhistle fan pay more for it which would up the bidding price I believe Mowf is referring to the fact that Enthwhistle had so many basses, that his ownership doesn’t make it rare 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, OliverBlackman said: I believe Mowf is referring to the fact that Enthwhistle had so many basses, that his ownership doesn’t make it rare Ah yeah , that one went right over my head 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briansbrew Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: Ah yeah , that one went right over my head 😁 Bit like most of us on here 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 hour ago, OliverBlackman said: I believe Mowf is referring to the fact that Enthwhistle had so many basses, that his ownership doesn’t make it rare Hopefully that fact will temper any over enthusiasm on the day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diskwave Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 68? Thgt the bridge anomaly started in 70. Anyway its a just a bog standard P bass from the era...having said that a good one is a keeper. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, greavesbass said: 68? Thgt the bridge anomaly started in 70. Anyway it’s a just a bog standard P bass from the era...having said that a good one is a keeper. The Entwistle connection is nonsense. Perhaps be owned it, maybe he didn’t. It won’t imbue this bog standard late 60s P with any mojo. The idea that GH don’t inflate valuations for some tenuous celebrity connection is also nonsense. The video literally illustrates that they would. Be sure to visit the sale room and check out the bass is my advice. My estimate in this mad world or Fender craziness is £6000 plus commission. If you want a vintage Fender with a realistic value go to a trusted dealer. Edited November 4, 2023 by Burns-bass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 This looks quite interesting, what do you think https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305254867950?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=QKPLj-MsQIG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1wDkd4CjTIi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossyrocks Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Reggaebass said: This looks quite interesting, what do you think https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/305254867950?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=QKPLj-MsQIG&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=1wDkd4CjTIi&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=EMAIL It's nice story, I enjoyed reading it. The finish is horrible, what's going on with the finish between the back pickup and the bridge? I do hope his "Best Offer" price is significantly lower too, maybe by about £7k. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 It’s been refretted too, and who knows what else. It’s a wonderful story and surely that’s half the fun with a vintage bass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Is it really a '61? The pencil mark on the neck is indistinct but, from what it looks like and the headstock logo, suggests it could be a '66 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossyrocks Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Velarian said: Is it really a '61? The pencil mark on the neck is indistinct but, from what it looks like and the headstock logo, suggests it could be a '66 Andy Baxter has a '62 body only refinish with a very similar logo, so I think it's probably ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, ossyrocks said: Andy Baxter has a '62 body only refinish with a very similar logo, so I think it's probably ok. Ah right, thanks. I was expecting a spaghetti logo but my knowledge is very limited. The serial number seems to check out as '61 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iconic Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Entwistle 'could of played' my Westfield, but Elvis was possibly using it at the time. I don't believe either have, but 'could' of given the chance. This sort of smoke and mirrors boils my fosters, but auctions are very much buyer beware, retail not so, a very big difference when standing up in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velarian Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Velarian said: Ah right, thanks. I was expecting a spaghetti logo but my knowledge is very limited. The serial number seems to check out as '61 Well, you live and learn. It appears that the spaghetti logo was never used on the Jazz bass. This is from the Fender web site regarding the transition logo: - "With input from Leo Fender himself, Perine perfected a new Fender logo, bolder and thicker, and with gold lettering bounded by a thin black outline. It was trademarked in 1960, and its first appearance on an instrument headstock came that year with the debut of the Jazz Bass guitar. Every new Fender model launched after that point would have the new logo, and by 1965 most Fender instruments and amplifiers used the new logo." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossyrocks Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Velarian said: Ah right, thanks. I was expecting a spaghetti logo but my knowledge is very limited. The serial number seems to check out as '61 When you said that above I went to look at it again and thought, hey you're right, that's a transition logo. I then looked at Andy Baxter's site for comparisons. You would never find that style of logo on an early Strat or Tele, they would be spaghetti. So it seems the basses were different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggaebass Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, ossyrocks said: what's going on with the finish between the back pickup and the bridge? I’m guessing the indents could be from the mutes on a 61 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Reggaebass said: I’m guessing the indents could be from the mutes on a 61 Just checked and it looks pretty bad. Could be an additional pickup that has been badly filled in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyR Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Burns-bass said: Just checked and it looks pretty bad. Could be an additional pickup that has been badly filled in. I think it is simply a bad refin. There would be no earthly reason to have an extra pickup there. It’s an interesting bass and the appointments look period correct, no reason to disbelieve the story, but the price is about double the value, in my opinion. If it were originally a dark green colour, I can only think of sherwood green, which would make it a matter of considerable financial regret for the poor unfortunate who decided to repaint it. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 19 minutes ago, GuyR said: I think it is simply a bad refin. There would be no earthly reason to have an extra pickup there. It’s an interesting bass and the appointments look period correct, no reason to disbelieve the story, but the price is about double the value, in my opinion. If it were originally a dark green colour, I can only think of sherwood green, which would make it a matter of considerable financial regret for the poor unfortunate who decided to repaint it. I’ve seen people do mad things to instruments. For those who can’t access it, this is what we’re talking about… Given the even finish on the rest of the bass there’s obviously something going on here. Caveat emptor, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Burns-bass said: That does appear to me to line up with where the original mutes were screwed into the body. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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