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Neil Young’s albums ranked. Discuss

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  On 14/11/2020 at 14:13, Beedster said:

 

And I would certainly put Clapton in the high technique low emotion bracket, and possibly Harrison to be honest

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I’d put Clapton in the mediocre technique bracket tbh. I think almost every guitarist I know, none of them pro, is technically way ahead of him. 

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  On 14/11/2020 at 17:01, 4000 said:

I’d put Clapton in the mediocre technique bracket tbh. I think almost every guitarist I know, none of them pro, is technically way ahead of him. 

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Ha ha, I was being polite wasn't I, the likes of Clapton and Harrison criticising NY's guitar playing strikes me as further proof of their mediocrity, technically and emotionally. I'm pretty sure Clapton has done nothing on much value since the late 60's - writing or recording - and whilst I'd be a little more charitable towards Harrison and suspect that the cut-off date might be a few years later, much the same is true of him. 

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  On 15/11/2020 at 13:22, Beedster said:

Ha ha, I was being polite wasn't I, the likes of Clapton and Harrison criticising NY's guitar playing strikes me as further proof of their mediocrity, technically and emotionally. I'm pretty sure Clapton has done nothing on much value since the late 60's - writing or recording - and whilst I'd be a little more charitable towards Harrison and suspect that the cut-off date might be a few years later, much the same is true of him. 

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Big Beatles fan here.

Harrison was many great things, but IMO 'guitarist' isn't one of them.

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  On 15/11/2020 at 13:30, wateroftyne said:

Big Beatles fan here.

Harrison was many great things, but IMO 'guitarist' isn't one of them.

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Exactly, Beatles fan here also, not a hug fan of GH's (or RS's) contribution to either recordings or songwriting to be honest, recognise they both probably made significant contributions to Lennon & McCartney's songs. Worth noting I have a rare neurological condition as the result of which my brain sees George Harrison and Bill Wyman as the same person, which might explain the bias a little :)

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I would say the same again. Don't rate Clapton by the mediocre feel-good lounge blues he plays most of the time.  And I happily rate Harrison as both guitar player and songwriter. I'd listen to Cloud 9 before several Beatles albums.

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I think Harrison was under no illusions as to his abilities as a soloist.

When interviewed about his participation in the Travelling Wilburys project he observed "It’s the first band that I can think of that’s got five rhythm guitar players".

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  On 15/11/2020 at 17:15, skankdelvar said:

I think Harrison was under no illusions as to his abilities as a soloist.

When interviewed about his participation in the Travelling Wilburys project he observed "It’s the first band that I can think of that’s got five rhythm guitar players".

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And given a few of them were playing 12's it often sounded like more :)

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  On 15/11/2020 at 14:58, Stub Mandrel said:

I would say the same again. Don't rate Clapton by the mediocre feel-good lounge blues he plays most of the time.  

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Saying this out of genuine interest, what would you suggest that I do rate him on? I'm in the mood for rediscovery at present? 

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  On 15/11/2020 at 13:42, Beedster said:

Exactly, Beatles fan here also, not a hug fan of GH's (or RS's) contribution to either recordings or songwriting to be honest, recognise they both probably made significant contributions to Lennon & McCartney's songs. Worth noting I have a rare neurological condition as the result of which my brain sees George Harrison and Bill Wyman as the same person, which might explain the bias a little :)

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Hmm. For me the Beatles would've been even better if they'd replaced some of Lennon's & Macca's more crappy numbers with post 1966 Harrison songs.  Could've done without Ob-la-di.., Maxwell's Silver Hammer,  Wild Honey Pie etc and more along the lines of 'Something'.

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  On 16/11/2020 at 11:36, Barking Spiders said:

Hmm. For me the Beatles would've been even better if they'd replaced some of Lennon's & Macca's more crappy numbers with post 1966 Harrison songs.  Could've done without Ob-la-di.., Maxwell's Silver Hammer,  Wild Honey Pie etc and more along the lines of 'Something'.

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Fair point, the Beatles produced some music that I really don't like, including but not limited to those L&M songs above. But these are perhaps the exceptions rather than the rule? Re GH I'd certainly rate Here Comes the Sun, Taxman & Old Brown Shoe as great songs, but I'd say the ratio good to bad songs GH to L&M was about the same, just the volume that differed, which can give the impression that L&M produced more crap songs :) 

But as ever, it's all personal opinion and tastes :)

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  On 16/11/2020 at 12:03, Beedster said:

Fair point, the Beatles produced some music that I really don't like, including but not limited to those L&M songs above. But these are perhaps the exceptions rather than the rule? Re GH I'd certainly rate Here Comes the Sun, Taxman & Old Brown Shoe as great songs, but I'd say the ratio good to bad songs GH to L&M was about the same, just the volume that differed, which can give the impression that L&M produced more crap songs :) 

But as ever, it's all personal opinion and tastes :)

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Exactly right. George wrote his fair share of tat.

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  On 16/11/2020 at 08:07, Beedster said:

Saying this out of genuine interest, what would you suggest that I do rate him on? I'm in the mood for rediscovery at present? 

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Post early 70s? Brilliance comes through in some of his live performances and collaborations.

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  On 16/11/2020 at 08:07, Beedster said:

Saying this out of genuine interest, what would you suggest that I do rate him on? I'm in the mood for rediscovery at present? 

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For me it would be the early days with John Mayall’s Blues Breakers. Particularly the ‘Beano’ album. Very fiery electric blues playing. Plus some, but not all, of the Cream output. It’s all personal choice, but his playing seemed to make a step-change to become less special when he switched from playing Gibsons to Fender Stratocasters. His accountant may disagree.

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  On 16/11/2020 at 14:42, Stub Mandrel said:

Post early 70s? Brilliance comes through in some of his live performances and collaborations.

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  On 16/11/2020 at 15:54, Len_derby said:

For me it would be the early days with John Mayall’s Blues Breakers. Particularly the ‘Beano’ album. Very fiery electric blues playing. Plus some, but not all, of the Cream output. It’s all personal choice, but his playing seemed to make a step-change to become less special when he switched from playing Gibsons to Fender Stratocasters. His accountant may disagree.

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Thanks for the above guys. I get that EC was both an innovator and a technician, but I never felt there was much soul in his playing, and I used to play a lot of old 60's blues and Cream covers so spent a lot of time listening (happy to be steered towards anything in the 70s I might have missed). I guess the contrast I'm making is with NY who is no technician, and quite possibly not an innovator, but who for me gets a hell of a lot of emotion out of his instrument, or at least, whatever he does on the instrument brings a lot of emotion to the song/recording overall. A good example being the intro to Alabama (which has always struck me as typical NY but is perhaps one of the session guys), that's got an edginess and even awkwardness that is really hard to replicate (and in my old band, we tried, how we tried). But for me, that line takes me somewhere that I suspect isn't too far form where NY was when he wrote the song, there's a powerful synergy of the emotion in the guitar playing with those in the lyrics

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  On 16/11/2020 at 20:03, StickyDBRmf said:

I really like Neil Young. Sometimes. Glad I read all 4 pages because I was unaware he played with the Bluesbreakers. 

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Sorry about the confusion but we side-tracked on to talking about Eric Clapton. He played for the Blues Breakers. Neil Young didn’t, as far as I’m aware.

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