Smirfy Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Hi all, I mainly lurk here and can generally find the answers to any question I may have by searching around. But this one eludes me. I have a lovely Sandberg VS4 with the Sandberg branded P pickup, playing either into a Phil Jones Headphone amp or an RH 450 head into an Aguilar Gs112. I can' t find that woody P bass tone that I know and love. It is likely inexperience on my part, however any tips would be greatly appreciated. I have Dunlop flats, and am not averse to a pickup change if necessary. I know tone is in the fingers but players I'm feeling out over at the moment include George Porter Jr and Kevin Scott Thanks for any help 😁👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 (edited) - Edited March 10, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliverBlackman Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Smirfy said: Hi all, I mainly lurk here and can generally find the answers to any question I may have by searching around. But this one eludes me. I have a lovely Sandberg VS4 with the Sandberg branded P pickup, playing either into a Phil Jones Headphone amp or an RH 450 head into an Aguilar Gs112. I can' t find that woody P bass tone that I know and love. It is likely inexperience on my part, however any tips would be greatly appreciated. I have Dunlop flats, and am not averse to a pickup change if necessary. I know tone is in the fingers but players I'm feeling out over at the moment include George Porter Jr and Kevin Scott Thanks for any help 😁👍 Play with a softer touch and just below the neck. I’ve recently tried la Bella flats for the first time and they’re fantastic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Was just going to suggest playing between the base of the neck and the pickup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Deaden the strings maybe? Washing up pad under the strings by the bridge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Anyway, it doesn't matter I'm just curious really. It's not likely to happen on Basschat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassist_lewis Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Have you tried nickel strings? they tend to be a bit darker than steels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooky_lowdown Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Flats and playing near the neck as suggested will get you half way there. Are your pickups alnico? If not, that's what you require to get you the other half. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I love Sandberg but those pickups are horrible. Aguilar 60s wind replacement and a 250 pot set will do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Creamery 58 P pickup Quite simply the best Split coil pick up out there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The GS112 cabinet is superb but it has a really scooped sound, thus you may find the magic P bass mids in it's brother the DB112 or similar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirfy Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 Thank for the tips everyone. Dood, I can't really afford a cab change ATM, bit I'll bear it in mind. Re a pickup change, I wouldn't mind trying that, are you suggesting getting rid of the preamp and going all passive, or just swapping out the pup?. Already got flats on, will try foam under the strings too. Cheers all stay safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirfy Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 20:00, Cuzzie said: Creamery 58 P pickup Quite simply the best Split coil pick up out there I've taken a gamble ( or maybe not given your comment Cuzzie....) and ordered a 58 P. Handmade in the UK by a small independent company with a great reputation. About 6 weeks for delivery, I hope it's worth the wait! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Smirfy said: I've taken a gamble ( or maybe not given your comment Cuzzie....) and ordered a 58 P. Handmade in the UK by a small independent company with a great reputation. About 6 weeks for delivery, I hope it's worth the wait! YES YES aaaaaaand YES!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Go passive as well. Use 250k pots. 500k are likely to be too bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirfy Posted November 14, 2020 Author Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, fretmeister said: Go passive as well. Use 250k pots. 500k are likely to be too bright. This might be a bridge too far...it would leave an open hole in the pickguard that may give my OCD a hard time lol! I have actually already emailed Sandberg to see if they can do me a 2 hole scratchplate...they don't show them in their webshop but they do a passive VS4 so I guess they are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 If it’s a black plate then just use one of those tiny webcam stickers to cover the hole. Or leave an unconnected pot there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooky_lowdown Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 2 hours ago, fretmeister said: Go passive as well. Use 250k pots. 500k are likely to be too bright. That's what a tone knob is for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hooky_lowdown Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Smirfy said: This might be a bridge too far...it would leave an open hole in the pickguard that may give my OCD a hard time lol! I have actually already emailed Sandberg to see if they can do me a 2 hole scratchplate...they don't show them in their webshop but they do a passive VS4 so I guess they are available. Alternatively, add a kill switch then all holes accounted for! 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.F.Sorrow Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 (edited) This is exactly why I tell people to try Sandberg basses before buying. Especially if they are going for the P or J-style models and expect them to sound like a classic P or a J. Sandberg basses are superb instruments with excellent craftsmanship/QC and some of the best necks I've ever played but they will sound NOTHING like a classic, vintage P or J. Sandberg basses are designed for an bright 'modern' tone, and here's why: 1) An active eq will never get you that mid bump resonance when you roll of the highs like a passive tone control will. A lot of that 'woody' sound you're missing is right there in that mid bump. If you want the classic P-bass sound: Rip out the active electronics and go passive. It will leave an unused hole in your bass but you can move the jack output up front and leave the side hole unused instead. It will even LOOK more like a classic P-bass that way and the side hole will probably be easier to disguise (unless Sandberg can provide you with a 2 hole replacement control plate). 2) Sandberg use 500k pots. These are far too bright sounding for the classic P-bass sound. Replace the pots with 250k. Personally I prefer audio taper for both pots in P-basses but that's just a matter of personal preference. The stock tone cap is probably .047 uF which is fine (and what most Fender P-basses use) but if you want a slightly darker/fatter sound when you roll off the tone you might consider .068 uF. Early Fender P-basses had .100 uF but I personally think that gets too dark&muddy too fast on the tone knob and I generally like warm/dark sounding basses. 3) Sandberg pickups are voiced for a bright/modern tone. Pretty much any standard P-bass split coil will get you closer to a classic P-bass tone. But you really need to go passive and replace the pots too if you want that classic 'woody' P-bass tone. You have already gotten some excellent advice in this thread and you are definitely moving in the right direction. Creamery pickups are superb and the '58 is an excellent choice! I've got a passive VS4 myself with a Kloppmann PB63 which is also a great pickup. After I replaced the 500k pots with 250k it certainly delivers that classic P-bass tone/feel (only mine is slightly 'faster&tighter' but I think that might be because I got it custom made with an ebony board). Finally, just to be clear: I'm not saying the bright tone in stock Sandberg basses is necessarily bad. I'm just saying they are a very poor choice if you're looking for a classic P/J tone. The way Sandberg are marketing their California series I think a lot of people expect them to sound like classic P/J-basses but they just won't. Not even close. Good luck! Edited November 16, 2020 by S.F.Sorrow 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Sound advice to always try before you buy, but as @S.F.Sorrow sorrow says, its a superbly crafted instrument with resonant well made components, tailoring a sound with a minor change such as a pick up, or string change really is nothing, and the stock pick ups, preamps can be sold to offset cost, or even kept to restore To original if it is to be moved on. I’ll wager that many people have moved a bass on for these reasons, eve a poor set up that would otherwise have ben perfect for them! Glad there is another in the Creamery camp! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I ripped it all out of my TT4 Superlight, but replaced it with EMG J set (the original type) and a 3 band. The Originals were designed to sound like trad J pickups but without the hum. They are a lot more restrained than the X versions or the dual coils. Probably why Bobby Vega loves them so much. Those, with some flats and it's perfect for my needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirfy Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 Creamery 58...check Cts 250ohm vintage taper pots ...check Orange drop .047 cap Check One amazingly built great feeling Sandberg VS4 that just needs a little help in the sound dept...check Reckon I'm good to go! 👍😁 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I'm in a similar situation (except it's a VM5) as the OP @Smirfy and decide to remove the preamp and replace the stock Sandberg large-pole Precision pickup with something more vintagey (I've gone for the Aguilar 5P-60CL). One thing I'm not clear on... the original Sandberg pickups use shielded wire, and the cavity itself is not shielded. Assuming the replacement pickups don't use shielded wire, should the cavity be shielded as part of the replacement process? I see that's what @PatrickJ did here: https://www.basschat.co.uk/topic/436108-sandberg-california-ii-vs4-precision/ as he says, "When I initially replaced the pickup it was quite noisy which ended up being a shielding issue." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Can you hear it acoustically when you stick your ear on the top horn? If not, a word of advice: don't look for it. It's not there. If you can hear it, crack on with all the above suggestions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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