Beer of the Bass Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) For someone who likes to make out that his voice is being silenced, I'm seeing an awful lot of his every utterance in every major newspaper and music publication... Edited November 18, 2020 by Beer of the Bass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 16 hours ago, YouMa said: I do think the man has a point regarding free speech being slowly eradicated in this country unless you are left wing. But he isn't though is he? You can't really turn on the telly without seing farage and his bunch of right wing nutjobs moaning about their free speech being curtailed. The president of america has been spouting right wing conspiracy theories heavily for the last 4 years, don't see his free speech going anywhere, or the whole news organisations set up to pander to that world view. If anything, there is more right wing free speech than left wing free speech these days. Even the bbc isn't allowed to come up with an opinion without having to add 'but some people think it is reasonable to drown immigrants in the channel' too to balance it out. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: If anything, there is more right wing free speech than left wing free speech these days. Even the bbc isn't allowed to come up with an opinion without having to add 'but some people think it is reasonable to drown immigrants in the channel' too to balance it out. Absolutely. Being ancient, I remember when one could hear quite a wide variety of political views via the mainstream media. Not any more. We have lurched markedly to the right in recent years and anything to the left of the Lib Dems is openly described as "communism" and/or heresy. The far right has always exploited the fact that they are (rightly) forbidden to say some things (drowning asylum seekers, etc) by claiming it to be an "assault on free speech". The sad thing is that more appear to believe their nonsense nowadays. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassfinger Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 13 hours ago, Mykesbass said: Because so much of what right wingers think is free speech is actually hate speech. Being a Jewish male I can assure you that the phenomenon to which you allude is most definitely not confined to the right. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mep Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 9 hours ago, Lozz196 said: Def, Andy Rourkes basslines were very melodic, and he had a great sound/tone as well. Enjoy a photo of him and his bass at the London Bass Guitar Show a few years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bassfinger said: Being a Jewish male I can assure you that the phenomenon to which you allude is most definitely not confined to the right. Point taken, but I'd be willing to bet that you get a lot more of it from the far right. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 9 hours ago, Bassfinger said: Being a Jewish male I can assure you that the phenomenon to which you allude is most definitely not confined to the right. I am genuinely sorry for, and appalled by any abuse you have received. I have some Jewish and black heritage, although it is far enough back that it is not apparent. My mum and her mum were on the receiving end of abuse for the black heritage. However, anyone claiming to be left wing and dishing out any kind of hate speech does not belong on the left. If they say they are then they are wrong by definition, with one of the founding principles of Socialism being equality. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I saw this on fb and laughed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 20 hours ago, lemmywinks said: From the article: "Everyone ultimately prefers their own race – does this make everyone racist?” I love it when bigots out themselves without even realising it, what a plank. If he had any clue about this stuff he should have said "Everyone ultimately believes that what they think, what the people they choose to socialise with think, and what the authors of websites that Google algorithms send them to think, is what everyone thinks. And if that network leads those people to discriminate on the basis of race, then those people are by definition racist" I suspect in saying what he said he was alluding crudely to the generally accepted idea in neuroscience/psychology that the human brain has a hard-wired tendency to seek familiarity and to fear novelty. But he has extrapolated a tendency that can be overridden by learning/environment/culture (and of course one that can also be reinforced by these same factors as is his case) way past the point that it's supported by the data in question. The main problem with Morrissey is that he likes the sound of his own voice and has an increasingly small audience, so his views become more polarised and at the same time he appears to hit the off switch a few minutes too late pretty much every time he speaks to a journalist. I imagine he's going to find some success as a politician 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozza Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 17/11/2020 at 17:34, Eldon Tyrell said: Morrissey: Please, please, please let me get what I want BMG: You are a charming man and a handsome devil, but money changes everything, so we have to drop you now. Morrissey: May I ask, how soon is now? BMG: That joke isn't funny anymore. Morrissey: Well I wonder, what difference does It make? I don’t own you anything! BMG: Bigmouth strikes again. Don’t panic, you’ve got everything now. Morrissey: Ok, I know it’s over. 😎 OK, I'll bite! 1. Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want 2. This Charming Man 3. Handsome Devil 4. Money Changes Everything 5. How Soon Is Now? 6. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore 7. Well I Wonder 8. What Difference Does It Make? 9. I Don't Owe You Anything 10.Bigmouth Strikes Again 11. Panic 12. You've Got Everything Now 13. I Know It's Over 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 47 minutes ago, Beedster said: If he had any clue about this stuff he should have said "Everyone ultimately believes that what they think, what the people they choose to socialise with think, and what the authors of websites that Google algorithms send them to think, is what everyone thinks. And if that network leads those people to discriminate on the basis of race, then those people are by definition racist" I suspect in saying what he said he was alluding crudely to the generally accepted idea in neuroscience/psychology that the human brain has a hard-wired tendency to seek familiarity and to fear novelty. But he has extrapolated a tendency that can be overridden by learning/environment/culture (and of course one that can also be reinforced by these same factors as is his case) way past the point that it's supported by the data in question. I'll be honest, I don't think it requires that much analysis. He's done enough of these slips and has made his far right leanings clear enough to just take it at face value - "everyone ultimately prefers their own race" is just him describing himself. The reason he attributes this to everyone is because he has spent the last few decades surrounding himself with yes men and sycophants who feed his ego and assure him that his views are held by everyone, he can never be wrong. You can seek familiarity in a wide variety of commonalities (social standing, political views etc) however Morrisey explicitly selects race. That's the big tell I think. 53 minutes ago, Beedster said: The main problem with Morrissey is that he likes the sound of his own voice and has an increasingly small audience, so his views become more polarised and at the same time he appears to hit the off switch a few minutes too late pretty much every time he speaks to a journalist. I imagine he's going to find some success as a politician I agree he does like the sound of his own voice, something which is quite surprising when his voice sounds like... well... that. I'm not sure who his audience even is any more - he appears to only tolerate vegan right w(h)ingers with a preference for white nationalism, I might be wrong but I can't see a lot of record sales coming from that demographic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: I'm not sure who his audience even is any more From a psychoanalytical perspective he is his audience, and he puts a lot of effort into keeping his audience happy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, lemmywinks said: I'll be honest, I don't think it requires that much analysis. He's done enough of these slips and has made his far right leanings clear enough to just take it at face value - "everyone ultimately prefers their own race" is just him describing himself. The reason he attributes this to everyone is because he has spent the last few decades surrounding himself with yes men and sycophants who feed his ego and assure him that his views are held by everyone, he can never be wrong. You can seek familiarity in a wide variety of commonalities (social standing, political views etc) however Morrisey explicitly selects race. That's the big tell I think. Agree with all of that, one of the most dangerous things that happens when you achieve a certain level of either fame or wealth is that you get to surround yourself with like-minded people. The best friends a person can have are those that aren't afraid to tell them when they're wrong and that disagree about even small things when necessary and thereby don't allow pathological attitudes to develop. Not sure he's got those sort of friends? It's human nature to seek out like minded people of course - something that perhaps Morrissey was alluding in the comment in question (i.e., this is one basis of racism), but those who adopt it on that basis are also working on the assumption that human nature is de facto a good thing, which in the most part it is, bit only the most part, not all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldon Tyrell Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 26 minutes ago, Fozza said: OK, I'll bite! 1. Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want 2. This Charming Man 3. Handsome Devil 4. Money Changes Everything 5. How Soon Is Now? 6. That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore 7. Well I Wonder 8. What Difference Does It Make? 9. I Don't Owe You Anything 10.Bigmouth Strikes Again 11. Panic 12. You've Got Everything Now 13. I Know It's Over Pretty good, only missed out one 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Eldon Tyrell said: Pretty good, only missed out one 😎 Which is "Ask"...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) Is he just trying to get on the Katie Hopkins rent-a-gobshite bandwagon? I literally couldn't care less, he's a hateful individual and I never got all the fuss about the Smiths. I bought one of their albums when I was 17 and gave it away to a mate the next day. Believe me, 17 year old Yorkshireman me didn't ever give anything away that had cost me money. I just couldn't stand Morrisey's voice for an entire album. Edited November 19, 2020 by uk_lefty Typo corrected 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldon Tyrell Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 21 minutes ago, Lfalex v1.1 said: Which is "Ask"...? Yep 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 For me Morrissey lost any right to an audience when he equated the Norway massacre to McDonalds, not so much because there wasn't at some level a degree of logic in his argument - life is life and is precious whatever form it takes - but that he chose to express it when and how he did, with no apparent understanding of the potential sensitivities of people in his audience or their right to not have to be subjected to his rants. I generally have broad tolerance of people's rights within the law to their own views, political, religious and cultural, but not of people who take inappropriate advantage of social status to advance them out of context. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 (edited) On 19/11/2020 at 13:00, uk_lefty said: I never got all the fuss about the Smiths. The band itself were excellent. I saw them at a college gig many moons ago (they were supporting The Fall) and they were tight as a ducks 4rse. Couldn't stand the bloke whinging into the mic' at the front of the stage, but the musicians were impressive. Edited November 20, 2020 by Dan Dare 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Saw him described - by a vegetarian - as the type of vegetarian who makes you want to go to McDonald’s just to fosters him off 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Given his current persona, the title of his first hit is, well, ironic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davepb24 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 As a student in the mid-80s I was interested enough to buy their first album. These days I wonder why... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, davepb24 said: As a student in the mid-80s I was interested enough to buy their first album. These days I wonder why... I assumed it was the law if you were a student, you had to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 "I wouldn't want to be on a label that dictates so specifically how their artists should behave - especially when the word 'talent' is notably never mentioned." Well, there's a reason that talent is never mentioned in association with you... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozza Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 12 hours ago, Beedster said: Saw him described - by a vegetarian - as the type of vegetarian who makes you want to go to McDonald’s just to fosters him off Could it have been Robert Smith of The Cure? The two had a feud going on for years. Thus spake Robert - "If Morrissey says not to eat meat, then I'll eat meat; that's how much I hate Morrissey." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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