fleabag Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Some time ago now, i asked about alternative dual footswitches for a Trace Elliot graphic / pre-shape dual footswitch, thinking the original TE job was a latching type, but was told by some folk a lot cleverer than me that the TE original is a momentary type. The TE gurus like @TheGreek and @Deedee and others, know the footswitch well...photo added, but would any dual momentary switch still work ? I found these... but i'm not sure, and dont want to connect anything that could fack up the amp The Bright Onion pedal has other options, which is confusing. Check the Polarity drop down box to see what i mean https://www.brightonion.co.uk/mini-dual-momentary-footswitch/ The Vein-tap one also has some Polarity options that i dont understand https://www.vein-tap.com/product/skinny-little-twins-dual-momentary-footswitch/ And this Muslady Mosky looks to be the simplest of all and would be my favourite because of its simplicity. And good price https://www.amazon.co.uk/Muslady-MOSKY-SWITCH-Footswitch-Switch/dp/B07GRP1S9L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 You’re right to be cautious. I’ve just tried the below latching footswitch with a Trs cable and button 2 works fine switching the mid-shape on and off (press once for on, press again for off), but button 1 has to be pressed twice for on and then twice for off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Anyhoo I may be able to sort you out with an original Trace one. It’s been repaired in the past and looks as if it’s been rewired the wrong way around I.e. pressing graphic operates the mid-shape and vice-versa. I thought it just needed the internal blocks switching around but they’re handed where they mount to the chassis. Just needs the connections re-soldering to the correct blocks I’d have thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 Hi Dan I wonder if thats because the switch should be momentary , and not latching like yours ? I have no talent for electronics 6 minutes ago, Deedee said: You’re right to be cautious. I’ve just tried the below latching footswitch with a Trs cable and button 2 works fine switching the mid-shape on and off (press once for on, press again for off), but button 1 has to be pressed twice for on and then twice for off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deedee said: Anyhoo I may be able to sort you out with an original Trace one. It’s been repaired in the past and looks as if it’s been rewired the wrong way around I.e. pressing graphic operates the mid-shape and vice-versa. I thought it just needed the internal blocks switching around but they’re handed where they mount to the chassis. Just needs the connections re-soldering to the correct blocks I’d have thought. Cheers Dan, but one of the reasons i like the look of the Mosky is the tiny footprint, and it will fit on the last small piece of real estate left on my pedal board, whereas the TE will have to be placed on the floor. Gesture appreciated though !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Just now, fleabag said: Cheers Dan, but one of the reasons i like the look of the Mosky is the tiny footprint, and it will fit on the last small piece of real estate left on my pedal board, whereas the TE will have to be placed on the floor. Gesture appreciated though !! No worries 👍. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, fleabag said: Hi Dan I wonder if thats because the switch should be momentary , and not latching like yours ? Oh yeah. Must learn to read these things properly 🧐 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted November 30, 2020 Author Share Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) While i was thinking about things, i decided to email Mark Gooday, and got an answer within a couple of hours, and he reckons the Ashdown footswitch does the job. I'm sure if anyone knows, he will, but the Ashdown is apparently a dual latching , not dual momentary, so i;m wondering how this could work ? https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/electric-guitar-amps/electric-guitar-amp-accessories/amp-footswitches/ashdown-fs2-2-way-footswitch Aside from that, its smaller than the original but not as small as the Mosky Edited November 30, 2020 by fleabag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Intriguing. I’d say it’s worth a punt on the Mosky at £18 (plus the cable of course). Watching with interest. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 Indeed Dan, i'm tempted at the price just to try it. Assuming the chaps in the old thread are correct and the TE footswitch really is momentary, ( no reason to believe otherwise ) then surely the Musky will work. AS for the Ashdown latching footswitch working properly, i'm not totally at ease with that, judging by what happens with your own footswitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt P Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 @Deedee do you have access to a multimeter? that should allow you to test if the original one is momentary or latching, (and what the connections should be at the plug), this would confirm which switch is the right one for @fleabag. it looks like the original one has LED's to show status as well, it might not bother fleabag but it might be possible to modify one of the tiny options to give him LED's as well (and publishing the definitive answer on here will help the next poor soul that's looking for a smaller option for a footswitch) Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, Matt P said: It looks like the original one has LED's to show status as well, it might not bother fleabag but it might be possible to modify one of the tiny options to give him LED's as well (and publishing the definitive answer on here will help the next poor soul that's looking for a smaller option for a footswitch) LEDs on a non-latching footswitch are a good challenge. You need a circuit (maybe a flip-flop) to keep track of the status. I was looking into this when I built a 4-way switch, one latching, three momentary, for my Roland AC-60 acoustic guitar amp. I got as far as ordering some components but that wa as far as I got - didn't have a circuit that I believed in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 hours ago, Matt P said: @Deedee do you have access to a multimeter? that should allow you to test if the original one is momentary or latching, (and what the connections should be at the plug), this would confirm which switch is the right one for @fleabag. I don’t I’m afraid ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Deedee said: Intriguing. I’d say it’s worth a punt on the Mosky at £18 (plus the cable of course). Watching with interest. 🤔 Punt taken Wont be here till late Dec /January ??? according to Amazon Maybe the builder grows them from seed Edited December 1, 2020 by fleabag 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt P Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 12 hours ago, pete.young said: LEDs on a non-latching footswitch are a good challenge. You need a circuit (maybe a flip-flop) to keep track of the status. I was looking into this when I built a 4-way switch, one latching, three momentary, for my Roland AC-60 acoustic guitar amp. I got as far as ordering some components but that wa as far as I got - didn't have a circuit that I believed in. yes, i admit that with momentary switches the LED's are much harder to implement but as this is an older design there is a chance that it would be possible to reverse engineer and retro fit to the new switch. 1 hour ago, Deedee said: I don’t I’m afraid ☹️ any chance of some pictures of the circuits inside? i will admit that i've never had one of these in my hands. but i have reverse engineered a footswitch once for a friends amp by borrowing the OEM one and tracing the internals. (it was pretty simple though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Matt P said: any chance of some pictures of the circuits inside? i will admit that i've never had one of these in my hands. but i have reverse engineered a footswitch once for a friends amp by borrowing the OEM one and tracing the internals. (it was pretty simple though) Here you go.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt P Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 thanks for that @Deedee it seems that the footswitch you have is different to the one that was posted in the first post, this seems to just be switches with what looks like capacitors across the terminals and no LED's, so the one that @fleabag has ordered should work fine. i have made a search for other pictures or schematics and it just drew a blank. Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Thinking laterally, Boss do a single momentary footswitch - the FS5U - which comes in modular format so you can slot two together to make a dual footswitch. You will need to make up a custom lead if it's just a TRS jack socket on the amp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakester Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 1 hour ago, BigRedX said: Thinking laterally, Boss do a single momentary footswitch - the FS5U - which comes in modular format so you can slot two together to make a dual footswitch. You will need to make up a custom lead if it's just a TRS jack socket on the amp. I think they also do a dual switch which allows you to change from latching to momentary individually on each switch: https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-dept/guitar-pedals/footswitches/boss-fs6-dual-foot-pedal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 In sure with access to either photos or the original pedal James at Brightonion would be able to make a matching one. Every time I've spoken to him about custom work he's always game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 01/12/2020 at 20:20, fleabag said: Punt taken Wont be here till late Dec /January ??? according to Amazon Maybe the builder grows them from seed Delivered ahead of time - marvellous ! Didnt work - ballocks ! So maybe its not momentary. Since Mark Gooday emailed saying their Ashdown FS2 latching would do the job, i guess i'll be heading in that direction 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedee Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, fleabag said: Delivered ahead of time - marvellous ! Didnt work - ballocks ! So maybe its not momentary. Since Mark Gooday emailed saying their Ashdown FS2 latching would do the job, i guess i'll be heading in that direction Bugger! I know next to nothing on these things but what cable are you using? I think it needs to be a TRS jobbie (although I could be completely wrong). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted December 8, 2020 Author Share Posted December 8, 2020 I've been using a trs / stereo cable as is required , but i guess its not the cable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt P Posted December 10, 2020 Share Posted December 10, 2020 what actually happens when you press the footswitch? does it switch then switch back when you release the button or does nothing happen? I am just going on my experience with a marshall (guitar) amp then needed a latching switch, when a non latching switch was used it would switch to the second channel as long as the button was pressed, switching back as soon as the button was released. if it's not doing this then more investigation is needed. exact wiring of the switch or an issue with one of either switch/cable/amp. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FUPAbass Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 So I see I’m not the only one looking for an alternative for a switching pedal. I have heard in other groups about a behringer pedal fs112v. Has anyone had any luck or heard anything about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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