danbowskill Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) I Gather its to do with leaving the EU đ¤ˇââď¸... Just having a gander at pedals on thomann and the prices on everything are super low. The new darkglass Adam is 385 Edited January 1, 2021 by danbowskill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Add the VAT and handling charge from the carrier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeystrange Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 Yeah, theyâll be showing the prices ex. VAT now. So, like Bunion said, add 20% plus handling fee from the carrier plus import duty (depending on how expensive a thing youâre buying). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbowskill Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 13 minutes ago, Bunion said: Add the VAT and handling charge from the carrier Does that apply? As everything was more pricey a few days ago and prices always included vat.... Always been free postage over £100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbowskill Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Just now, joeystrange said: Yeah, theyâll be showing the prices ex. VAT now. So, like Bunion said, add 20% plus handling fee from the carrier plus import duty (depending on how expensive a thing youâre buying). Ahh.... Odd why Bax and others haven't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeystrange Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 1 minute ago, danbowskill said: Ahh.... Odd why Bax and others haven't Maybe their web guys are still off for Christmas? Or maybe they bumped up the ex. VAT price and hoped that people wonât realise why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbowskill Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 Dang.... Had my hopes up đ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 It does say + VAT and depending on what carrier is used (I know Royal Mail charge ÂŁ11) they charge for processing the VAT payment so in  fact itâs works out more expensive than using a UK supplier. It would seem that The Local market will be the first port of call for people in the uk going forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited)   This is what happened when I put a Fender product into my 'basket '. You'd also have to consider what happens regards warranty. Also if you wanted to, or had to return it, what the paper work would be. The same combo from GAK is £274 inc VAT and delivery. How it'll effect prices in the long run will be uncertain. I bought a Fender Rumble 210 cab from GAK several weeks back for £275. Now at GAK they're out of stock but the price is £319 (which I believe is Fender's RRP). EDIT: just edited the post so the image doesn't need to be downloaded to view.  Edited January 2, 2021 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Maybe something to do with trade deals now being made direct with the UK  rather than going through EU market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Marvin said:   This is what happened when I put a Fender product into my 'basket '. You'd also have to consider what happens regards warranty. Also if you wanted to, or had to return it, what the paper work would be. The same combo from GAK is £274 inc VAT and delivery. How it'll effect prices in the long run will be uncertain. I bought a Fender Rumble 210 cab from GAK several weeks back for £275. Now at GAK they're out of stock but the price is £319 (which I believe is Fender's RRP). EDIT: just edited the post so the image doesn't need to be downloaded to view.  The returns part is something I hadn't considered. What happens if you bought an item, paid the UK vat, then had to exchange the item due to fault, or just return for a refund? I assume the VAT is not paid to Thomann so they won't be refunding it?Will you have to claim it back yourself, or do we not know yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 If they send out a replacement under warranty, will that also be subject to customs charges, handling and VAT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I believe the VAT is paid by the carrier to border control. There are a few different forms you can obtain depending on who shipped and paid the fees on your behalf At this moment Iâm not sure if you claim direct or the carrier claims on your behalf but one thing will be sure I doubt youâll get your handling fee back ÂŁ9 - ÂŁ11.  I think most of this is being covered in another thread Iâm also led to believe a replacement or credit note to an equal amount is not chargeable.   This is mainly aimed at private sellers but thereâs some good all round info in it Edited January 2, 2021 by Bunion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Click here to see why nobody will want to be bothered getting involved with dealing with the UK - due to the overheads of the vendors having to do somebody else's job in collecting tax on behalf of the UK 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I think the answer for the near future is buy from the UK market until things settle down. Edited January 2, 2021 by Bunion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Bunion said: I think the answer for the near future is buy from the UK market until things settle down. Yup - because the UK has a mass of manufacturing capability that rivals the rest of the world. 5 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 18 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: Click here to see why nobody will want to be bothered getting involved with dealing with the UK - due to the overheads of the vendors having to do somebody else's job in collecting tax on behalf of the UK Welcome to the new red-tape-less sunlit uplands,where the unicorns graze freely  2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 22 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: Yup - because the UK has a mass of manufacturing capability that rivals the rest of the world. Missing the point big time. No changes in tax when buying new - so yes, we will continue to buy new goods from the EU and EU manufacturers will want to continue to export to their most important export market, the UK. It would be seriously daft to think otherwise - can you imagine BMW or even Thomann saying "screw that we have a 10 minute customs form to fill in?". The key change is when buying used goods from private sellers - we now have UK VAT when we import these just as we do with new goods and just as we have always had with used goods from the rest of the world (USA, Jersey, Japan, India, China etc) However, there may be a work around for the used goods issue too - we're just looking into that on the thread Bunion linked into above. Edited January 2, 2021 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunion Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: 39 minutes ago, Bunion said:  Yup - because the UK has a mass of manufacturing capability that rivals the rest of the world. There are plenty of commercial outlets selling new products from around the world in the Uk market Edited January 2, 2021 by Bunion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Missing the point big time. No changes in tax when buying new - so yes, we will continue to buy new goods from the EU and EU manufacturers will want to continue to export to their most important export market, the UK. It would be seriously daft to think otherwise - can you imagine BMW or even Thomann saying "screw that we have a 10 minute customs form to fill in?". The key change is when buying used goods from private sellers - we now have UK VAT when we import these just as we do with new goods and just as we have always had with used goods from the rest of the world (USA, Jersey, Japan, India, China etc) However, there may be a work around for the used goods issue too - we're just looking into that on the thread Bunion linked into above. No I'm not - you are talking about large corporations there. Now look at it from the point of the small independents. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, Bunion said: There are plenty of commercial outlets selling new products from around the world in the Uk market For now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Missing the point big time. If only....... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Marvin said:   This is what happened when I put a Fender product into my 'basket '. You'd also have to consider what happens regards warranty. Also if you wanted to, or had to return it, what the paper work would be. The same combo from GAK is ÂŁ274 inc VAT and delivery. How it'll effect prices in the long run will be uncertain. I bought a Fender Rumble 210 cab from GAK several weeks back for ÂŁ275. Now at GAK they're out of stock but the price is ÂŁ319 (which I believe is Fender's RRP). EDIT: just edited the post so the image doesn't need to be downloaded to view.  I hadnât thought about that extra twist. That is perversely possibly good news as I canât see Thomann wanting to lose all their UK Fender (etc) sales. I would imagine that they will get a proper UK trading presence like dv247 & others pretty quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: For now. Come on, that's bordering on plain silly. We already trade more with non EU nations than with the EU. There are plenty of small retailers who are geared up to import from outside the UK eg Mark at Bass Direct will happily source you a 3 Leaf pedal or a Mesa amp. He's hardly a "large corporation"! Yes, I'm sure there will be an initial learning curve, but if we can learn a new song we can surely cope with a new form to fill out which is pretty much the same as what you do for a courier. YMMV Edited January 2, 2021 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 20 hours ago, danbowskill said: Ahh.... Odd why Bax and others haven't The one guy who runs bax single handedly probably hasn't got round to it yet 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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