LukeFRC Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 10 minutes ago, Al Krow said: I think they've been mentioned once or twice before, so I won't recap! ( You literally did then try and recap! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, LukeFRC said: You literally did then try and recap! Haha, believe me that's not a full recap! 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naxos10 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 People of course could just buy British and save the hassle! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, naxos10 said: People of course could just buy British and save the hassle! Now you're just echoing the wise words of this particularly impressive-in-his-bass-playing mod... On 02/01/2021 at 09:47, HazBeen said: Bottom line, buying 2nd hand in UK from EU or in EU from UK is only interesting if you have a specific itch to be scratched. Generally it is not worth the hassle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 The problem with goods now entering and leaving the UK - particularly from Ireland and NI, is why DFDS have recently started operating a new shipping route from Ireland direct to France. Previously some 150,000 trucks and lorries a year used the UK as a land bridge, between the Irish Sea ports and Dover. Whilst good news environmentally, reducing the number of lorries on the roads, it’s not good news economically. They’d probably have refuelled at UK garages, the drivers would certainly have bought food and drink during their journeys. That’s a loss to the local economies, and ultimately a loss to the UK treasury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, ambient said: The problem with goods now entering and leaving the UK - particularly from Ireland and NI, is why DFDS have recently started operating a new shipping route from Ireland direct to France. Previously some 150,000 trucks and lorries a year used the UK as a land bridge, between the Irish Sea ports and Dover. Whilst good news environmentally, reducing the number of lorries on the roads, it’s not good news economically. They’d probably have refuelled at UK garages, the drivers would certainly have bought food and drink during their journeys. That’s a loss to the local economies, and ultimately a loss to the UK treasury. Entirely fair. "Whilst good news environmentally" is not a point to be dismissed lightly is it? And the suggestion of buying goods produced locally (where we can) is both good for the local economy and good for the environment. Nothing in this discussion is black and white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Topic is about trade with EU countries, not the pros & cons of Brexit. Please stick to the topic. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, naxos10 said: People of course could just buy British and save the hassle! Have you literally just by passed the whole of the discussion to write that? It's been explained why buying British isn't as easy as just buying British. York Notes - Britain hasn't really got a wealth of raw materials and isn't a power house when it comes to manufacturing. Edited January 5, 2021 by EBS_freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rich said: Topic is about trade with EU countries, not the pros & cons of Brexit. Please stick to the topic. And other non EU countries that traded with the UK based on the UK being a member of the EU... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 OK, I'll re-word. Topic is not about the pros & cons of Brexit. Please stick to the subject, i.e. trade. Better? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Just now, Rich said: OK, I'll re-word. Topic is not about the pros & cons of Brexit. Please stick to the subject, i.e. trade. Better? Just wanted to be absolutely clear on the rules.... not these fuzzy guidelines that the government seem to.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiMarco Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 So this is a thread about Thomann prices? Much wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, DiMarco said: So this is a thread about Thomann prices? Much wow. It's all there. Just read it. Not much wow at all. Mostly all relevant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 This is quite interesting, apologies if it’s already been shared. I guess these businesses will have researched and realised it’s not economically viable to trade with the UK - at least not at the current time. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news/westminster-news/eu-firms-stop-uk-deliveries-due-to-brexit-6881640?fbclid=IwAR2CWZuBBPUJCn9rbbw7wITjTL424aSFsgwgxKRBW7RL4r_Hh86p64ID9Ns Is it also affecting UK based businesses? If someone manufactures something that they want to sell to Italy, if the item’s value is less than a certain amount, do they have to register for VAT in Italy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiMarco Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 My guess is things will just take a while to settle. Manufacturers, distributor networks, resellers. All will lag a bit behind all the new trade deals, rules and regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoJoKe Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 Back on topic: Just been messaging Thomann... Chat below, but with agent name removed out of courtesy! The price is plus VAT (yeah, we knew this). The VAT and any other fees are paid to the courier before you can have the goods. Thomann cannot tell you how much the handling fees may be. that is down to the courier. If it were DPD for example, they charge £5 plus VAT, so for a random product example: Behringer Xenyx QX1832USB: £155 Shipping: £ 8 Fee: £ 5 Sub total: £168 Vat: £ 33.60 Total £201.60 What a faff... I can buy from Gear4Music for £190.50, and only pay one bill. And, what if it goes wrong? Do I pay shipping/duty on sending it back, do I get my VAT back, do I have to re-pay the duty/carriage? And do Thomann pay taxes in the UK... probably not... Other carriers are nowhere near as transparent with their charges as DPD... I'll stick with UK retailers from now on thanks, unless it is utterly impossible to get anywhere here... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazBeen Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 And we’re back around the block yet again ..... no BC member asked for the hassle, but it is the result of decisions made and we will need to live with it. Although I am happy Thomann is still available to me, with free shipping and no BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickD Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 minute ago, HazBeen said: .... no BC member asked for the hassle. If that were actually true, it wouldn't be a forbidden subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambient Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, MoJoKe said: Back on topic: Just been messaging Thomann... Chat below, but with agent name removed out of courtesy! The price is plus VAT (yeah, we knew this). The VAT and any other fees are paid to the courier before you can have the goods. Thomann cannot tell you how much the handling fees may be. that is down to the courier. If it were DPD for example, they charge £5 plus VAT, so for a random product example: Behringer Xenyx QX1832USB: £155 Shipping: £ 8 Fee: £ 5 Sub total: £168 Vat: £ 33.60 Total £201.60 What a faff... I can buy from Gear4Music for £190.50, and only pay one bill. And, what if it goes wrong? Do I pay shipping/duty on sending it back, do I get my VAT back, do I have to re-pay the duty/carriage? And do Thomann pay taxes in the UK... probably not... Other carriers are nowhere near as transparent with their charges as DPD... I'll stick with UK retailers from now on thanks, unless it is utterly impossible to get anywhere here... So the free shipping has stopped? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, ambient said: So the free shipping has stopped? Crumbs, we got back our borders. What more do you want? The moon on a stick?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ambient said: So the free shipping has stopped? 3 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: Crumbs, we got back our borders. What more do you want? The moon on a stick?! It'll be flown over by Spitfire. Meet Smudger Smith on top of the white cliffs of Dover and settle up for delivery then. Hoorah! Edited January 5, 2021 by Maude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 36 minutes ago, MoJoKe said: Back on topic: ...Thomann cannot tell you how much the handling fees may be. that is down to the courier. If it were DPD for example, they charge £5 plus VAT, so for a random product example: Behringer Xenyx QX1832USB: £155 Shipping: £ 8 Fee: £ 5 Sub total: £168 VAT: £ 33.60 Total £201.60 What a faff... I can buy from Gear4Music for £190.50, and only pay one bill. And, what if it goes wrong? Do I pay shipping/duty on sending it back, do I get my VAT back, do I have to re-pay the duty/carriage? And do Thomann pay taxes in the UK... probably not... Other carriers are nowhere near as transparent with their charges as DPD... I'll stick with UK retailers from now on thanks, unless it is utterly impossible to get anywhere here... Very neat thread summary. Not sure what I'm going to do with rest of my evening now that's all sorted? Maybe time to go play a Japanese bass made in Indonesia, bought from a store in London...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peteb Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Al Krow said: Very neat thread summary. Not sure what I'm going to do with rest of my evening now that's all sorted? Maybe time to go play a Japanese bass made in Indonesia, bought from a store in London...😁 That will be shipped to a warehouse in Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 56 minutes ago, MoJoKe said: for a random product example: Behringer Xenyx QX1832USB: £155 Shipping: £ 8 Fee: £ 5 Sub total: £168 Vat: £ 33.60 Total £201.60 £138.27 on Amazon..... https://www.amazon.co.uk/Behringer-XENYX-QX1832USB-Channel-Mixer/dp/B00C3ZR19S/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Behringer+Xenyx+QX1832USB&qid=1609867388&sr=8-1 The point being, it makes sense to shop around and compare prices. Personally I've always looked at Thomann but never actually used them, because they weren't the cheapest for the items I needed at the time. So their price increase/extra admin/extra fees are rendered irrelevant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoJoKe Posted January 5, 2021 Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ambient said: So the free shipping has stopped? it said £8 on the Behringer desk.... some things are free, others clearly not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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