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danbowskill

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Maude Grand Master

Maude

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To be completely honest it's looking like a very good time to start enjoying the gear we've already got. 

 

I know, I know, don't slam the BC door as I leave. 😉

Woodinblack Grand Master

Woodinblack

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Just now, Silvia Bluejay said:

Anyone see this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721

Not only seen it, my wife talked to some suppliers that said it wasn't worth the hassle of shipping to the UK, and that they couldn't get couries to transfer the stuff anyway for the same sort of prices that they used to.

Unfortunately budget couriers are paid by the mile, not the hour, so it doesn't make economic sense for them to risk the UK.

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taunton-hobbit Grand Master

taunton-hobbit

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Yup, saw this about ten min ago, was going to post it.......

......the UK world is going to be stuffed with these sort of problems,

all of which will get sorted out - eventually

(whether or not that happens in my lifetime is another matter)

😎

Steve Browning Grand Master

Steve Browning

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That Scandinavian company has got it wrong. They will only need a UK VAT registration if they source and deliver within the UK. They won't be able to register in the UK if they just sell to the UK.

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Steve Browning Grand Master

Steve Browning

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I guess we're about to find how important a market the UK is (for EU businesses) against the rest of the world. I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Thomann (or similar) could live without us quite easily.

EBS_freak Grand Master

EBS_freak

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1 minute ago, Al Krow said:

Their loss. If our money's not good enough for them, I'll buy elsewhere. End of 😉

You do realise that choice is a good thing? Without choice, you get monopolies.

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EBS_freak Grand Master

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The deviants are in trouble now...

https://winterfetish.com/blogs/news/uk-vat

(edit - maybe NSFW...?)

- it says 

UK VAT

I just discovered that the UK imagines that my business will be willing to register with the UK and collect taxes for them. I can only chaulk that up to them being silly people. 

Due to this, as of December 20th I will no longer be able to take orders that have a ship to address in the UK.

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Maude Grand Master

Maude

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As that link is bicycle related, I've just seen that Brooks, the iconic British saddle manufacturer has put UK sales on hold for the minute while they work out their plan. 

The company was sold to an Italian one 20 or so years ago, but manufacturing has stayed in the UK, as that is what the rest of the world expects from Brooks, quality british made, leather saddles, and other goods. 

It seems logistically odd, but all their products are shipped to Italy, to then be distributed around the world. They now face this odd situation of shipping back to the UK, so have put it on hold. 

This has, for now, stopped UK cyclists buying the most iconic of UK cycle parts. 

Steve Browning Grand Master

Steve Browning

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6 minutes ago, EBS_freak said:

The deviants are in trouble now...

https://winterfetish.com/blogs/news/uk-vat

(edit - maybe NSFW...?)

- it says 

UK VAT

I just discovered that the UK imagines that my business will be willing to register with the UK and collect taxes for them. I can only chaulk that up to them being silly people. 

Due to this, as of December 20th I will no longer be able to take orders that have a ship to address in the UK.

Again wrong. A non-UK business only has to register if it sources and delivers within the UK.

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peteb Grand Master

peteb

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2 minutes ago, Maude said:

As that link is bicycle related, I've just seen that Brooks, the iconic British saddle manufacturer has put UK sales on hold for the minute while they work out their plan. 

The company was sold to an Italian one 20 or so years ago, but manufacturing has stayed in the UK, as that is what the rest of the world expects from Brooks, quality british made, leather saddles, and other goods. 

It seems logistically odd, but all their products are shipped to Italy, to then be distributed around the world. They now face this odd situation of shipping back to the UK, so have put it on hold. 

This has, for now, stopped UK cyclists buying the most iconic of UK cycle parts. 

Presumably it would be relatively easy for them to switch production to Italy or elsewhere in the EU?

BigRedX Grand Master

BigRedX

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1 minute ago, Steve Browning said:

Again wrong. A non-UK business only has to register if it sources and delivers within the UK.

Since there are several companies now coming up with this same problem, it would suggest that someone is giving them the wrong advice.

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EBS_freak Grand Master

EBS_freak

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Just now, Steve Browning said:

Again wrong. A non-UK business only has to register if it sources and delivers within the UK.

Not wrong. We have to look at the net result.

Whether the vendor understands what is required or not, or whether they are misinformed or not, what we have here is that the UK can no longer buy from them. That's our loss... especially if other vendors start doing the same.

Maude Grand Master

Maude

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Just now, peteb said:

Presumably it would be relatively easy for them to switch production to Italy or elsewhere in the EU?

I would imagine, but that might impact on sales as buying Brooks means buying British, it's all part of the image. Similar to Fender moving all production out of America. 

I assume they're just trying to sort out the details and will then carry on as normal. 

EBS_freak Grand Master

EBS_freak

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3 minutes ago, peteb said:

Presumably it would be relatively easy for them to switch production to Italy or elsewhere in the EU?

So - as you say, remove the manufacturing and jobs... from the UK. Wahey!

Steve Browning Grand Master

Steve Browning

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4 minutes ago, Maude said:

As that link is bicycle related, I've just seen that Brooks, the iconic British saddle manufacturer has put UK sales on hold for the minute while they work out their plan. 

The company was sold to an Italian one 20 or so years ago, but manufacturing has stayed in the UK, as that is what the rest of the world expects from Brooks, quality british made, leather saddles, and other goods. 

It seems logistically odd, but all their products are shipped to Italy, to then be distributed around the world. They now face this odd situation of shipping back to the UK, so have put it on hold. 

This has, for now, stopped UK cyclists buying the most iconic of UK cycle parts. 

 

Just now, BigRedX said:

Since there are several companies now coming up with problem, it would suggest that someone is giving them the wrong advice.

The bloke down the pub is the usual culprit!

To have an obligation to register in the UK, you have to make 'taxable supplies' where the place of supply is the UK. When goods remain within the UK there is a clear obligation. A UK business supplying out of the UK is now exporting and will not charge VAT. Conversely, a non-UK business exports to the UK and the recipient (whether a business or individual) is responsible for dealing with the VAT. I won't bring incoterms into account.

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