40hz Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I've just discovered this album (I'm younger than most on here!) and it's incredible. Captivating from start to finish. I never even knew this side of Numan existed! What I found really interesting, aside from the usual wonderful playing, is that, IMO, you can REALLY hear a strong Mick Karn influence on Pino across the album. Fave track has to be War Games. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b75woL59qYU 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40hz Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 @ped any idea why links on mobile never preview? I did it directly using the mobile link and desktop link and just can't ever get them to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Worked for me - just edited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The album before this, Dance, had Mick Karn playing bass. I have heard people moan about Pino ‘copying’ MK on I, Assassin but he was asked to play like him so he was doing what was required. I think I’m right in saying that Pino used effects whereas MK always double tracked which gives MK a subtler sound imho. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40hz Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Frank Blank said: The album before this, Dance, had Mick Karn playing bass. I have heard people moan about Pino ‘copying’ MK on I, Assassin but he was asked to play like him so he was doing what was required. I think I’m right in saying that Pino used effects whereas MK always double tracked which gives MK a subtler sound imho. Well I've learned something! I had absolutely no idea Mick had played on the prior album or any history behind this! In no way is this a slight on Pino, he's killing it across the board as always and makes me respect him more for being able to switch up his style like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 IBTAPC. 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Maude said: IBTAPC. 😄 Anti Pino contingent? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Just now, ezbass said: Anti Pino contingent? Nope, it's coming, wait for it. If I say what it is, people purposely won't post it. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, 40hz said: Well I've learned something! I had absolutely no idea Mick had played on the prior album or any history behind this! In no way is this a slight on Pino, he's killing it across the board as always and makes me respect him more for being able to switch up his style like that. Pino is amazing! I’ve just been reading up on the albums, MK did backing vocals on one of the I, Assassin tracks. This is Numan’s quote about Pino on the album... He was brilliant. I had never heard playing like it...He came up with stunning bass lines, song after song. I leaned on him heavily during the making of the album. I pushed his playing to the forefront of the tracks and, inadvertently, created a new style. It was one of the first times that the fretless bass had been used as the lead melody instrument, allowing the album to be atmospheric, dreamy and funky. I’ll probably get stick but Pino always struck me as a brilliant technical player, but MK is deeply intuitive. I remember reading an interview with him where he said he had no musical theory at all and couldn’t tell you what notes he was playing if a string was “An E or a C”, also that the rest of the band would rehearse a song into existence and then MK would arrive having made up a bass line just based on the title of the song, they’d rewrite entire songs around his lines because they were so good! Anyway, any excuse for Bestial Cluster... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40hz Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, ezbass said: Anti Pino contingent? 23 minutes ago, Maude said: IBTAPC. 😄 In before the anti pino crowd? Does such a thing exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 35 minutes ago, 40hz said: In before the anti pino crowd? Does such a thing exist? Nope, and of course it doesn't. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) - Edited March 12, 2022 by Jus Lukin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maude Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Maude said: IBTAPC. 😄 1 hour ago, ezbass said: Anti Pino contingent? 1 hour ago, Maude said: Nope, it's coming, wait for it. If I say what it is, people purposely won't post it. 😉 52 minutes ago, 40hz said: In before the anti pino crowd? Does such a thing exist? 2 minutes ago, tonyf said: Boom!! And there it is, the 'Alan Partridge Clip'. 😂😂😂 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Maude said: Boom!! And there it is, the 'Alan Partridge Clip'. 😂😂😂 YAFG* *You actual f****** genius 😄 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomTing Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 12 hours ago, Frank Blank said: The album before this, Dance, had Mick Karn playing bass. I have heard people moan about Pino ‘copying’ MK on I, Assassin but he was asked to play like him so he was doing what was required. I think I’m right in saying that Pino used effects whereas MK always double tracked which gives MK a subtler sound imho. I heard thats how Mick liked to record (listen to Dali's Car) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BoomTing said: I heard thats how Mick liked to record (listen to Dali's Car) I have been for about 35 years 😀 Edited March 9, 2021 by Frank Blank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Wowzers, even 30 seconds of that would have convinced me it was Mick Karn had I not read this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Frank Blank said: Anyway, any excuse for Bestial Cluster... I fully endorse this, it's an awesome album. btw look at little Stevie Wilson there. Wonder if he'll amount to anything one day? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 A slight correction, hoping I read your post correctly @Frank Blank : Pino Palladino can't read music and never studied it. Mick Karn was not reading music very well, but studied it as a teenager and had an excellent ear. He had a conventional music cursus as a bassoon player and was even the 2nd bassoonist of the London School Symphony Orchestra, which is what really started it all, not because of it, but because of the stolen bassoon... Thanks for posting again (like I did a few times) Bestial Cluster with a young and already talented Steven Wilson on guitar. Massive Mick Karn fan here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hellzero said: A slight correction, hoping I read your post correctly @Frank Blank : 👍 4 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Pino Palladino can't read music and never studied it. I never knew that, how interesting. 4 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Mick Karn was not reading music very well, but studied it as a teenager and had an excellent ear. He had a conventional music cursus as a bassoon player and was even the 2nd bassoonist of the London School Symphony Orchestra, which is what really started it all, not because of it, but because of the stolen bassoon... I always thought it odd that he stated he had no musical theory given his abilities on other instruments. Maybe he had such a good ear that he relied on that making him such an intuitive player. 4 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Thanks for posting again (like I did a few times) Bestial Cluster with a young and already talented Steven Wilson on guitar. Thanks for the extra info, always happy discussing MK. 4 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Massive Mick Karn fan here. Seconded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKenrick Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Hellzero said: Pino Palladino can't read music and never studied it. Not wanting to open up a can of worms, but I would query this - I'm sure that's the narrative that Pino maintains in interviews, but I'm pretty certain that he took some lessons with Joe Hubbard back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzmanb Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 08/03/2021 at 23:07, Frank Blank said: Pino is amazing! I’ve just been reading up on the albums, MK did backing vocals on one of the I, Assassin tracks. This is Numan’s quote about Pino on the album... He was brilliant. I had never heard playing like it...He came up with stunning bass lines, song after song. I leaned on him heavily during the making of the album. I pushed his playing to the forefront of the tracks and, inadvertently, created a new style. It was one of the first times that the fretless bass had been used as the lead melody instrument, allowing the album to be atmospheric, dreamy and funky. I’ll probably get stick but Pino always struck me as a brilliant technical player, but MK is deeply intuitive. I remember reading an interview with him where he said he had no musical theory at all and couldn’t tell you what notes he was playing if a string was “An E or a C”, also that the rest of the band would rehearse a song into existence and then MK would arrive having made up a bass line just based on the title of the song, they’d rewrite entire songs around his lines because they were so good! Anyway, any excuse for Bestial Cluster... Agree on Mick Numan was only a year after Tin drum but its clear the sound he went for wasn't co incidence or spontaneous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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