Happy Jack Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 We thought some of you might be interested in the thought process we've just been through. @Silvia Bluejay and I get all the gigs for the bands I play in, and the early feedback from contacting (the surviving) landlords is that carefully-organised outdoor gigs are still the most likely things to be on offer after 12th April and running through until 21st June. If pubs and punters like those gigs enough, many pubs may well continue doing them while the weather stays warm, so until - say - late September. The problem is of course that this is England. If we agree to play on a Saturday afternoon in the beer garden or car park, and on Friday afternoon the weather forecast is '40% chance of rain' or something, what do we do? Cancel because even a brief shower will wreck our equipment? So we've punted £104 on a waterproof gazebo. The thinking is NOT that we will put it up for all outdoor gigs, more that possession of that gazebo means that we can commit to play in anything short of heavy rain, and if there's heavy rain then the pub will cancel the gig anyway. I have a couple of acres of woodland in the Chilterns with a lock-up hut and a petrol generator, so Silvie and I went up there this afternoon to test out the idea. This is the first in an occasional series of informative and entertaining short films entitled Educate Your Band ... 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) weirdly I bought a 3 x 3 m gazeebo last week, never thought of using it with the band. Comes with sides too. Annoyingly mine cost over double yours, hope I haven't been ripped off! Edited March 17, 2021 by skidder652003 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share Posted March 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, skidder652003 said: weirdly I bought a 3 x 3 m gazeebo last week, never thought of using it with the band. Comes with sides too. Is it waterproof? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Good solution. I mixed FOH under similar gazebos many times back in the day. The only snag (assuming you have sides to keep the non-vertical rain out) is that eventually a very fine mist starts to come through the “canvas” so having some poly sheets to cover the electronics is wise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray5 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 Ah, the jazz group I play in may be one step ahead of you there, Jack, with our own weather-covering. Only thing is, it does kinda limit us to where we can actually play any gigs! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted March 17, 2021 Share Posted March 17, 2021 50 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Is it waterproof? supposedly, haven't put it up yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Stingray5 said: Ah, the jazz group I play in may be one step ahead of you there, Jack, with our own weather-covering. Only thing is, it does kinda limit us to where we can actually play any gigs! The other limiting factor is that you forgot your bass! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 It's every man for himself at outdoor gigs... My rig wears a medium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggering on Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) I have played in shelters like this a number of times, some with walls and some with just a roof. The one in the photo below belonged to the venue and would be OK in the rain but all of these shelters are VERY tricky in the wind. In the photo we are on a street that has wind tunnel effect and had a few nervous moments since there was no way to use pegs into the ground to secure the rig. I have seen concrete blocks used to tie them down but in a big wind nothing is completely safe. So would I recommend using one...yes, but be aware of the wind and have it very securely fastened down. This is particularly important on pavement or out in a field such as you may find at a festival. Be aware also that there is great variation in the quality of these shelters, many are very flimsy, it would pay to buy a heavy duty unit. Been there, done that.🙂 Edited March 18, 2021 by Staggering on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 You go to this effort and the audience don't appear because it's going to rain! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Staggering on said: I have played in shelters like this a number of times, some with walls and some with just a roof. The one in the photo below belonged to the venue and would be OK in the rain but all of these shelters are VERY tricky in the wind. In the photo we are on a street that has wind tunnel effect and had a few nervous moments since there was no way to use pegs into the ground to secure the rig. I have seen concrete blocks used to tie them down but in a big wind nothing is completely safe. We played a couple of gigs last year in pub carparks where the pub's marquee was quite literally trying to achieve lift-off in the middle of a song ... cue much hilarity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 May 2018 we played outside a pub under a gazebo with actual thunder and lightning through part of the gig. Which would have been cool if we were a metal band and had proper outdoor electrical supply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Surely any venue that is worth its salt and expect bands to do outdoor gigs, should provide weatherproof facilities to accommodate these type of gigs. They do around our way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard R Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Happy Jack said: Those "pop up" gazebos are way better than the old style with poles and connectors. Mine's not properly waterproof, but it is now 14 years old. Cool number plate BTW 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I'm looking at using something like this over my car for car boot sales - is it possible to tether to the car (estate back open as sales area) ? 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Jeez HJ - are you the Unabomber? Attention to detail, lonesome in the wood, little cabin... I'm scared. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2Kg diving weights would fit in those pockets. You'd get 2 or maybe 3 in each one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggering on Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, pete.young said: 2Kg diving weights would fit in those pockets. You'd get 2 or maybe 3 in each one. They would help but in any kind of breeze these shelters turn into a combination sail, parachute and umbrella and need serious weight or rigging to stay in place, I've had some "interesting" experiences playing in these things. Never had one completely take off but have had to stop mid song a few times to prevent that from happening, pretty scary with a lot of expensive instruments and gear around. 🙁 OTOH when properly set up they are great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, taunton-hobbit said: I'm looking at using something like this over my car for car boot sales - is it possible to tether to the car (estate back open as sales area) ? 😎 I'm sure something could be kludged together, but not sure why you'd want to attach it to the car? If it's the whole blowing-away-in-the-wind-thing and you've got your car right there, four breezeblocks (eight if you're particularly worried) would be the easy solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 58 minutes ago, pete.young said: 2Kg diving weights would fit in those pockets. You'd get 2 or maybe 3 in each one. I was actually looking at sash window weights ... much the same approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 You may be dry but I know the punters won't want to get wet... played far too many 'festivals' to literally one man and his dog! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Several of the pubs I'm talking to will be erecting gazebos / pergolas / marquees for the use of the audience. Same situation applies, in that these will all be shower-proof at best but adequate for that. In the event of it raining heavily then the gig's off anyway so it doesn't matter. I see little point in preparing for six months of outside giggerey in England by saying "I'll only play if the sun is shining, the temperature is over 20C, and the bar staff are wearing bikinis - including the girls". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Or it's safe to do so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDaddy Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Happy Jack said: We played a couple of gigs last year in pub carparks where the pub's marquee was quite literally trying to achieve lift-off in the middle of a song ... cue much hilarity. This is true, I was at one of them 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Supernaut said: Or it's safe to do so? You're still holding out for the bikinis, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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