Phil Starr Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 As many of you know I've been building speakers and sharing the designs on BassChat, many more to come I hope. My problem is that I'm not the worlds best bass player and me giving a cab a work out is about as testing as if I went in the ring with Anthony Joshua. Pre Covid IĀ took the cab to people I knew could play and then I also got a good chance to listen. What IĀ need is a few good recordings (at least CD quality) of bass played fingerstyle, with a pick and slap which IĀ can cut down to 10-30 second clips. They'd need to be recorded straight from the bass with no eq or fx and clean of any other sounds, just bass. Ultimately I'll use anything longer for the speaker development process and the clips to demonstrate the speakers. I suppose that if I put the test track up here we could also put up recordings of everyone's bass rigs with a dedicated BassChatĀ test track So if you are stuck at home bored but with decent recording facilities I'd love to start putting this together. All donations gratefully received 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Browning Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Are any of those isolated bass tracks any good. There's a whole load of Queen multitracks available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Hi Steve, I've looked at those, well some of them anyway plus some of the YouTubers especially the ones who teach the bass courses. The big problem is that they are often not clean recordings and usually you have little idea of what eq/effects have been applied. There are also copyright problems. I'm thinking that a lot of Basschatters have home studio equipment and probably already have clean recordings of themselves playing bass.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Browning Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I see what you'd like to do, BUT (yes it's a big but) you'll have tracks without the real dynamic of a live player, so the final result will be biased. For instance the transient response and the whole dynamic details of the bass will be totally lost, because of the recording process itself even if it's in wave 24 bits at 96 kHz. This means that in the real world, the speakers may start to distort or fart way more earlier than with a bass plugged straight in and I'm not even starting the whole impedance matching problems, which can highly bias the final judgement. Tough and straight answer, I know, but it will really help you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Phil Starr said: I suppose that if I put the test track up here we could also put up recordings of everyone's bass rigs with a dedicated BassChatĀ test track I'm not the level of player you are looking for perhaps but I am sure to benefit from what you're doing. I wish you success with your venture.Ā I've been lurking on one of your topics for a while.Ā It's great to see how it's done for real having built many cabinets using guesswork in my youth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nilebodgers Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hellzero said: I see what you'd like to do, BUT (yes it's a big but) you'll have tracks without the real dynamic of a live player, so the final result will be biased. For instance the transient response and the whole dynamic details of the bass will be totally lost, because of the recording process itself even if it's in wave 24 bits at 96 kHz. This means that in the real world, the speakers may start to distort or fart way more earlier than with a bass plugged straight in and I'm not even starting the whole impedance matching problems, which can highly bias the final judgement. Tough and straight answer, I know, but it will really help you. I think it'll be fine provided that there is absolutely no compression, high-pass or EQ applied to the recording. There then needs to be various different players contributing as some people are naturally very compressed and even sounding and that would be much more forgiving than someone that was more heavy-handed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) - Ā Edited March 12, 2022 by Jus Lukin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downunderwonder Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Recordings tend to involve a whole lot of compression. Then YouTube compresses it some more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 I'm currently in the throes of a lockdown collaboration of Don't Give Up. I've just cut out 2 snippets of the main, muted, fingerstyle riff on a J type and the outro riff played fingerstyleĀ on a Rob Allen fretless (deep, almost upright tone). You're welcome to these if they'd help. There's no EQ or anything on the clips and they're not huge files.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Happy to contribute @Phil Starr. Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Jus Lukin said: PM sent. I could do with a break from DIY, selling equipment, and getting tipsy! š Ā 57 minutes ago, ezbass said: I'm currently in the throes of a lockdown collaboration of Don't Give Up. I've just cut out 2 snippets of the main, muted, fingerstyle riff on a J type and the outro riff played fingerstyleĀ on a Rob Allen fretless (deep, almost upright tone). You're welcome to these if they'd help. There's no EQ or anything on the clips and they're not huge files.Ā Ā 33 minutes ago, stewblack said: Happy to contribute @Phil Starr. Ā thanks to all of you, I'll respond properly tomorrow. today is my birthday and I've a three line whip to enjoy myself and not go on Bass Chat. How does that work? Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Phil Starr said: Ā Ā thanks to all of you, I'll respond properly tomorrow. today is my birthday and I've a three line whip to enjoy myself and not go on Bass Chat. How does that work? Ā šššŗ Happy cake day!Ā Ā Whenever works for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 (edited) PM sent... Edited March 18, 2021 by Dad3353 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverfoxnik Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Phil Starr said: Ā Ā thanks to all of you, I'll respond properly tomorrow. today is my birthday and I've a three line whip to enjoy myself and not go on Bass Chat. How does that work? Ā Happy birthday @Phil Starr šš»š¶ And good luck with this project!Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Happy Birthday @Phil StarrĀ ! š¾š„ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 Happy birthday Phil, I enjoy reading your stuff on here, and if itās recordings of uncompressed dynamically unstable bass playing youāre after, Iām your man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 20 hours ago, nilebodgers said: I think it'll be fine provided that there is absolutely no compression, high-pass or EQ applied to the recording. There then needs to be various different players contributing as some people are naturally very compressed and even sounding and that would be much more forgiving than someone that was more heavy-handed. Thanks to you and @HellzeroĀ we areĀ aware of the problems of compressionĀ but remember the recording will be just part of what we do. the advantage of our own recordings is we will know that they've been recorded with no fx or eq. Thanks toĀ Ā @stevieĀ Ā we can measure the frequency response of all our designs.Ā WeĀ do road testing with our bands in normal times and we all play through the cabs when they are in development. The missing bit under lockdown is getting the cabs out to other players and then being able to give people who are interested a decent recording to listen to so that they can make their own assessment of the tonal qualities of the cab. Hearing other people play even from a recordingĀ adds a lot of extra information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 19 hours ago, ezbass said: I'm currently in the throes of a lockdown collaboration of Don't Give Up. I've just cut out 2 snippets of the main, muted, fingerstyle riff on a J type and the outro riff played fingerstyleĀ on a Rob Allen fretless (deep, almost upright tone). You're welcome to these if they'd help. There's no EQ or anything on the clips and they're not huge files.Ā Thanks, can you pm me to get them across Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 19 hours ago, stewblack said: Happy to contribute @Phil Starr. Ā That'd be great,Ā I'll pm you later.Ā Hopefully I'll see you at the bass bash later this year Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Thanks for all the birthday wishes everyone. I not keen on fuss at homeĀ but on the plus side I did get a nice pair of closed back AKG headphones for practice and recordings. I'll miss the gaffa taped Sennheisers I've used for years but these are great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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