EllCurrell95 Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) Hi ive just gotta myself a secondhand ‘09 4003 and it sound crazy as with both pickups or just the bridge pickup. But using just the neck pickup it’s much quieter and sounds very thin, not a lot of low end if any. I’ve lowered the bridge pick up and made the neck one higher and it’s balanced out a bit. I guess my question is whether this is normal for the neck pickups? Or is something up? edit: when I say it’s balanced out a bit, the bridge pickup it’s still noticeably louder and bassier than the neck, it’s a lot similar when the ‘vintage’ circuit is activated. Edited May 3, 2021 by EllCurrell95 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurroundedByManatees Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Maybe a silly suggestion, but did you try the other input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EllCurrell95 Posted May 3, 2021 Author Share Posted May 3, 2021 I’m in the standard output, no Rico sound for me right now haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) It should have the Push / Pull pot on the Tone control, is that pushed down or up? I use mine with both pickups on, but the neck volume turned down a bit. Sounds plenty ballsy to me. Plus, the neck pickup is reknown to be a bit weak for some reason. You could look at replacement pickups, Gemini Pickups in Wales do a couple of variants, hand wound & RWRP. Nice. There's also the Nordstrand Rickenbocker. Edited May 4, 2021 by Skybone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Quiet neck pickups (in comparison to the bridge) on modern Rics is common, but thin? Not so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoon Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Skybone said: Nordstrand Rickenbocker. I have tried one of these and it solves the OP's problem without affecting too much the classic Ricky sound. Good choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Looked at the Nordstrand, but then I have a set of Gemini WaveRider's in the Walnut Faker in the avatar. Very nice sounds from them. Rickenbacker Bass Pickups (geminipickups.co.uk) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Burrito Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 My 4003s is from 2015 and the front pickup in isolation is quieter. I find this is more problematic on some setups than others. On my practice amp it sounds faulty but running it through my big rig it sounds like there are no issues. I initially thought I would be having to buy new pickups but I am quite happy with the stock setup now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Ric 4003 neck pickups are generally less powerful. The cure is a replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) - Edited March 14, 2022 by Jus Lukin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 Played mine yesterday, and did a bit of experimenting with this thread in mind. Yes, the neck pickup's output is less than the bridge pickup, and because of that, it does sound a bit thinner, but still very much a "rounded" sound. The pickup is set as high as I can get it. IIRC, Bass Direct sell Nordenbocker's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madein1962 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Skybone said: Played mine yesterday, and did a bit of experimenting with this thread in mind. Yes, the neck pickup's output is less than the bridge pickup, and because of that, it does sound a bit thinner, but still very much a "rounded" sound. The pickup is set as high as I can get it. IIRC, Bass Direct sell Nordenbocker's. If you order one from Bass Direct, you should call them first to make sure they have it in stock. I've had one on order from them, since 26th of February. I've still not heard when it's due to arrive. The last time I checked; the website still didn't say that it's out of stock. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 One thing to remember with a 4003 is that the overall sound that everyone seems to love (unless, of course, you don't) seems to come from the balance between the pickups. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 14 minutes ago, 12stringbassist said: One thing to remember with a 4003 is that the overall sound that everyone seems to love (unless, of course, you don't) seems to come from the balance between the pickups. ^^^^ THIS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) I have four 4003's and the neck pickup never gets solo'd on any of them, simply because the overall sound of both pickups is what I am after. I'm generally one of those people who will just leave all the tone controls in one place (fully on) on the bass and sort my EQ on the amp and I'm good to go on stage. The neck pick up has a very good sound but needs boosting. The bridge pickup always sounds nice and trebly, but it's the mix of the two that I will always use. In the studio, it's a versatile enough bass. The vintage pull out pot they have added now is a waste of time for me in a live situation, as it just sucks all of the bottom end out of the bass and I could only see a possible use for that in the studio, but I would just EQ around that on the amp to get the sound right, anyway.. Edited May 8, 2021 by 12stringbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madein1962 Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 If you check out the Classic Amplification website; they sell a replacement pickup cover which is about 3mm taller than the original. This allows adjustment of the neck pickup to be closer to the strings than the original. Obviously it's only worth doing if you're currently unable to adjust the pickup to the correct height. Raising the pickup might help with the output; with the usual caveat regarding string pull from the magnet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted May 8, 2021 Share Posted May 8, 2021 2 hours ago, 12stringbassist said: I have four 4003's and the neck pickup never gets solo'd on any of them, simply because the overall sound of both pickups is what I am after. I'm generally one of those people who will just leave all the tone controls in one place (fully on) on the bass and sort my EQ on the amp and I'm good to go on stage. The neck pick up has a very good sound but needs boosting. The bridge pickup always sounds nice and trebly, but it's the mix of the two that I will always use. In the studio, it's a versatile enough bass. The vintage pull out pot they have added now is a waste of time for me in a live situation, as it just sucks all of the bottom end out of the bass and I could only see a possible use for that in the studio, but I would just EQ around that on the amp to get the sound right, anyway.. Exactly this, except I drop the volume on the neck pickup a bit. Used to have a 4003 built in '05, which didn't have the Vintage Circuit. Loved the sound of it, but always kind of wished I'd got one with the circuit included. When I bought the current 4003, the VC was included, and I was keen to try it out. Let's just say that it didn't take very long for the VC to be deactivated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 The vintage sound thing is just a pointless bass cut. Fortunately, it can be ignored. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 10 hours ago, 12stringbassist said: The vintage sound thing is just a pointless bass cut. Fortunately, it can be ignored. It's not pointless at all! Instant Machine Head. And it's great when running in stereo for copping the early Geddy and Chris Squire tones. Admittedly, if I'm gigging straight into one amp, the vintage mode isn't really useable live, but in the studio or in stereo it's invaluable - it's what a Rick should sound like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12stringbassist Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Cosmo Valdemar said: It's not pointless at all! Instant Machine Head. And it's great when running in stereo for copping the early Geddy and Chris Squire tones. Admittedly, if I'm gigging straight into one amp, the vintage mode isn't really useable live, but in the studio or in stereo it's invaluable - it's what a Rick should sound like to me. I did say a couple of posts above it was usable in the studio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 The quiet neck pickup thing is one of the reasons why I generally prefer vintage Rick (pre-73) basses. The toasters on my two vintage basses are louder than the bridge pickup, and that balance (or lack of it) is a big factor in the classic vintage sound. I also have them very near the strings. If I do get another 4003 it’ll be having a half-inch position toaster put in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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