Nail Soup Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 I guess under my understanding of new wave quite a few of the excellent bass players mentioned above would get pushed into punk or post-punk, perhaps leaving Colin Moulding, Graham Maby and Pete Thomas as new wave. And Foxton maybe. Slippery subject! How about Brian Ritchie of the Violent Femmes? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 1 minute ago, Nail Soup said: How about Brian Ritchie of the Violent Femmes? Great band, great bass player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P-Belly Evans Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 Phil Brown of the Records? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Nail Soup said: I guess under my understanding of new wave quite a few of the excellent bass players mentioned above would get pushed into punk or post-punk, perhaps leaving Colin Moulding, Graham Maby and Pete Thomas as new wave. And Foxton maybe. Slippery subject! I agree, but where does Punk end and Post Punk and New Wave start, and where's the boundary between Post Punk and New Wave, then where does New Wave become Synth Pop, and Post Punk become Goth, and all of it become Indie? A debate that can go on and on, but labels are as relevant as the one in the back of my pants. Good music is good music. That said, I offered Gang of Four's Dave Allen up and I would say they are Post Punk, not New Wave. 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoombung Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 French Bassist, Ferdinand Richard...rarely talked about but a MASSIVE talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 And we mustn't forget new wave offshoot, No Wave, characterised by funky weird jazzy oddness by the likes of the Bush Tetras and James White/Chance... Here with George Scott 111 on bass: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Bruce Foxton and Bruce Thomas both fantastic bass players who defined the music of The Jam and The Attractions, both already mentioned. I am surprised that no one has commented on Youth’s bass playing on Killing Joke’s first album. A post-punk masterpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rushbo Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 On 23/05/2021 at 18:27, P-Belly Evans said: Phil Brown of the Records? “Shades in Bed” is one of my favourite albums. Great songs and great playing. Phil Brown was a superb bassist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) For me it wasn’t just great bass lines. Several new wave bands took the bass from being a melodic and sometimes twee “behind the scenes” instrument and brought it into the foreground. Hence my Gallop/Hook nomination. Motörhead (not new wave) but Lemmy gets massive kudos for this as well. Edited May 27, 2021 by tegs07 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Browning Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Not forgetting Pete Farndon in The Pretenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 10 hours ago, JollyRoger said: Bruce Foxton and Bruce Thomas both fantastic bass players who defined the music of The Jam and The Attractions, both already mentioned. I am surprised that no one has commented on Youth’s bass playing on Killing Joke’s first album. A post-punk masterpiece. All good, but my definition of New Wave would exclude the Jam and Killing Joke. Just shows how vague 'new wave' was at the time and how much vaguer it is now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Sonmeone say Bow Wow Wow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 On 22/05/2021 at 16:01, Sonic_Groove said: Gary Tibbs with the Vibrators Gary Tibbs was interesting, stepped out of New Wave straight into Prog, or however you'd define the Roxy Music of that era. Love his playing on the Manifesto album, especially this one, tight as a badgers orifice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegs07 Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Beedster said: Gary Tibbs was interesting, stepped out of New Wave straight into Prog, or however you'd define the Roxy Music of that era. Love his playing on the Manifesto album, especially this one, tight as a badgers orifice Roxy Music are a band I hated at the time but am only just beginning to appreciate how great they actually were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyRoger Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: All good, but my definition of New Wave would exclude the Jam and Killing Joke. Just shows how vague 'new wave' was at the time and how much vaguer it is now! What is a genre, how is it defined, by whom, and what relevance does it have? Some can be (relatively) clear such and punk and reggae (where does Guns of Brixton fit?). Then we have bands that span genre. Can a band in 2021 be New Wave or did it have to be around in 1979-1982? Was it about fashion, musical style, structure, attitude, equipment......? Having lived through those years and having been heavily into the ‘alternative’ bands of the time I am just interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, JollyRoger said: What is a genre, how is it defined, by whom, and what relevance does it have? Some can be (relatively) clear such and punk and reggae (where does Guns of Brixton fit?). Then we have bands that span genre. Can a band in 2021 be New Wave or did it have to be around in 1979-1982? Was it about fashion, musical style, structure, attitude, equipment......? Having lived through those years and having been heavily into the ‘alternative’ bands of the time I am just interested. punk and new wave must the most widely defined of all the genres, early punk has very little to do with the shouty shouty hard core stuff that came later, originally New Wave started just after the explosion of punk, any band that was a bit more musical was put in that bracket, but the lines are very blurred, the genres continue to this day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveXFR Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Do Killing Joke count as new wave? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 14 minutes ago, SteveXFR said: Do Killing Joke count as new wave? punk.....................................................or New Wave 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 18 minutes ago, SteveXFR said: Do Killing Joke count as new wave? Deserve their own genre, like Primus 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 We can debate genres and inclusion and exclusion all day, but I'll just leave this here... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 20 minutes ago, SteveXFR said: Do Killing Joke count as new wave? 5 minutes ago, PaulWarning said: punk.....................................................or New Wave 😊 2 minutes ago, Stub Mandrel said: Deserve their own genre, like Primus 🙂 Jaz would describe them as Punk, Paul Raven used to describe them as Post-Punk, Geordie looked aloof whilst smoking menthol cigarettes and Big Paul agreed with Raven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stub Mandrel Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Frank Blank said: Geordie looked aloof whilst smoking menthol cigarettes Not another one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Muzz said: We can debate genres and inclusion and exclusion all day, but I'll just leave this here... ☝☝☝This, all day long. JJ kind of knocked everyone else into a cocked hat (apart from Mick Karn). Those first two notes, I want to give up bass and collect stamps as soon as I hear them. Edited May 27, 2021 by Frank Blank 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 1 hour ago, tegs07 said: Roxy Music are a band I hated at the time but am only just beginning to appreciate how great they actually were. Check out the bass lines on Bête Noire, a Bryan Ferry solo album rather than Roxy, superb album with cracking bass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Listening to these tracks (and there are some belters), I can't help but notice there's a hefty percentage of gnarly P-basses in there... 🙂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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