Woodinblack Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 On 11/06/2021 at 23:11, Killed_by_Death said: Hush your mouth, MH originated Thrash Metal Expand Thats not how you spell Venom? Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 11, 2021 Posted June 11, 2021 Venom were SO obviously Black Metal. All the early Thrash bands would cite MH as an influence & Metallica most of all. Lars was the President of the MH fanclub in the U.S.. Quote
DawnPatroller Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 11/06/2021 at 23:11, Killed_by_Death said: Hush your mouth, MH originated Thrash Metal Expand Tenuous at best ... Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 How can anyone even argue against the fact that all those Trash bands took Motörhead as an influence? Motörhead were the godfathers of Thrash, Thrash before there was a name for it, by the merging of Punk & Heavy Metal. Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 Who was doing a sound like this (Thrash) before 1979? 1 Quote
Leonard Smalls Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 Lawks! I've got Out of Vogue by Middle Class, on one of the Earcoms iirc... 1 Quote
4000 Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 17:38, Killed_by_Death said: Who was doing a sound like this (Thrash) before 1979? Expand What a band. Having seen (and met) them a few times back in the day, it’s hard to believe they’re not with us anymore. With all due respect to the other incarnations, Motorhead will always be the Three Amigos for me. 3 Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Lemmy was really heartbroken with Philthy died, just a month before him. Edited June 12, 2021 by Killed_by_Death corrected months to month Quote
Leonard Smalls Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 17:38, Killed_by_Death said: Who was doing a sound like this (Thrash) before 1979? Expand Early hardcore bands! Check Out of Vogue by Middle Class in Doctor J's post as one example... Quote
4000 Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 18:12, Killed_by_Death said: Lemmy was really heartbroken with Philthy died, just a month before him. Expand Yeah. Although they’d sometimes appeared to have a bit of a mixed relationship, you could tell how cut up he was. Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 18:16, Leonard Smalls said: Early hardcore bands! Check Out of Vogue by Middle Class in Doctor J's post as one example... Expand Sounds like Punk to me, with no Heavy Metal. The answer is Queen on Stone Cold Crazy, Black Sabbath on Symptom of the Universe, & probably early Tygers of Pan Tang. Quote
hubrad Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 Motorhead were already well established by 1979, and "the" lineup came about with Fast Eddie joining in 76. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead#Formation_and_early_years,_1975–1977 Quote
Doctor J Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) I would argue Overkill (the song) isn't thrash. Thrash was that fast, hardcore-derived beat, combined with metal riffs, rather than punk-type chord progressions - at least that's what it was back in the 80's, before the term got diluted by lazy journalists to describe the output of a cluster of bands rather than a style of music. It was never the type of double-bass drumming in Overkill. Bear in mind the geography - thrash was pioneered in California, the home of hardcore punk and those early thrash bands were most definitely exposed to it. You combine that fast beat with the riffs of the likes of Judas Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, Venom and NWOBHM and you get thrash. Singling any of them out for individual credit is quite wrong, in my opinion. Thrash examples: https://youtu.be/9MsiHRPiXCI?t=107 https://youtu.be/TnRZhLRv6eM?t=30 https://youtu.be/xeK1E1HaMdY?t=52 https://youtu.be/iSHsNbhQkw0?t=15 https://youtu.be/2GNt4UGa4tg?t=7 https://youtu.be/c0VkXJjH-uA?t=18 https://youtu.be/AeififDPVCw?t=3 https://youtu.be/YmWEP6pPzgg?t=30 https://youtu.be/LtaH2yllusU?t=12 https://youtu.be/Hf__tRy0g10?t=74 https://youtu.be/T5SKqEE2U-g?t=4 https://youtu.be/1v6LC6ZsRjo?t=74 https://youtu.be/ASFfYKqJWHA?t=27 Edited June 12, 2021 by Doctor J 1 Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) On 12/06/2021 at 18:30, Doctor J said: It was never the type of double-bass drumming in Overkill. Bear in mind the geography - thrash was pioneered in California, Expand Lars Ulrich would disagree & from there more Thrash was influenced by Metallica. Motörhead weren't the only influence to Thrash, that would be a daft statement, but they were the primary influence. Edited June 12, 2021 by Killed_by_Death corrected Lars name Quote
Woodinblack Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 17:38, Killed_by_Death said: Who was doing a sound like this (Thrash) before 1979? Expand Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 J.P. have a few one-offs that could be Thrash, but Motörhead were doing entre albums. Quote
Doctor J Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 18:32, Killed_by_Death said: Lars Ulrich would disagree & from there more Thrash was influenced by Metallica. Motörhead weren't the only influence to Thrash, that would be a daft statement, but they were the primary influence. Expand The same Lars Ulrich who spent years denying Metallica were ever a thrash band? 😉 Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 Lemmy would never say MH were Thrash, he hated labels & started their shows with "We are Motörhead, & we play Rock & Roll!" Quote
DawnPatroller Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 18:30, Doctor J said: I would argue Overkill (the song) isn't thrash. Thrash was that fast, hardcore-derived beat, combined with metal riffs, rather than punk-type chord progressions - at least that's what it was back in the 80's, before the term got diluted by lazy journalists to describe the output of a cluster of bands rather than a style of music. It was never the type of double-bass drumming in Overkill. Bear in mind the geography - thrash was pioneered in California, the home of hardcore punk and those early thrash bands were most definitely exposed to it. You combine that fast beat with the riffs of the likes of Judas Priest, Maiden, Motorhead, Venom and NWOBHM and you get thrash. Singling any of them out for individual credit is quite wrong, in my opinion. Thrash examples: https://youtu.be/9MsiHRPiXCI?t=107 https://youtu.be/TnRZhLRv6eM?t=30 https://youtu.be/xeK1E1HaMdY?t=52 https://youtu.be/iSHsNbhQkw0?t=15 https://youtu.be/2GNt4UGa4tg?t=7 https://youtu.be/c0VkXJjH-uA?t=18 https://youtu.be/AeififDPVCw?t=3 https://youtu.be/YmWEP6pPzgg?t=30 https://youtu.be/LtaH2yllusU?t=12 https://youtu.be/Hf__tRy0g10?t=74 https://youtu.be/T5SKqEE2U-g?t=4 https://youtu.be/1v6LC6ZsRjo?t=74 https://youtu.be/ASFfYKqJWHA?t=27 Expand Outstanding choices there, sir 👍 1 Quote
Woodinblack Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 On 12/06/2021 at 18:40, Killed_by_Death said: Lemmy would never say MH were Thrash, he hated labels & started their shows with "We are Motörhead, & we play Rock & Roll!" Expand Indeed they were, and did, that is why there is a clear similarity in sound between motorhead (the track) by hawkwind and their early stuff. When we were going to gigs in 1980+, if we wanted heavy we would go to priest or one of the start of the bands that would be nwobhm, if we wanted rock we would go to motorhead or one of the older school bands that were around. 1 Quote
Killed_by_Death Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 It's a matter of opinion I suppose, but MH weren't included in NWOBHM because they were heavier than that. I asked Lemmy in 1991 if MH were Heavy Metal or Punk & he said the statement above, loudly, LOL! Quote
Guest Posted June 12, 2021 Posted June 12, 2021 I thought this was held to be the common root of all Thrash? Quote
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